Phi Kappa Psi at U of Virginia Voluntarily Suspends Activities

[SOM]

UVA Rape Victim’s Roommate Pens Letter Supporting Her Story http://nym.ag/1schd5g via @intelligencer

[squirrely girl]

In the meantime, the Washington Post also quietly removed a key claim from their own scathing report on the UVA story.

http://jezebel.com/the-uva-mess-is-now-a-full-fledged-shitstorm-1668191002

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by squirrely girl

In the meantime, the Washington Post also quietly removed a key claim from their own scathing report on the UVA story.

http://jezebel.com/the-uva-mess-is-now-a-full-fledged-shitstorm-1668191002

This is how it currently reads so I would disagree with Jezebels claim that they removed anything "key":

"Reached by phone, that man, a U-Va. graduate, said Friday that he worked at the Aquatic and Fitness Center and was familiar with Jackie’s name. But he added that he never met Jackie in person and never took her out on a date. He also said he was not a member of Phi Kappa Psi."

ETA, I do find the wording "in person" a little odd. Don't you usually just say "I've never met xyz?" Maybe they've had some kind of internet interaction? Just struck me as strange wording in this context.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by honorgal

ETA, I do find the wording "in person" a little odd. Don't you usually just say "I've never met xyz?" Maybe they've had some kind of internet interaction? Just struck me as strange wording in this context.

I say that all the time about people I've been interacting with on GC for a decade and a half, but have never physically been in the same room with. He may have been FB friends with her or heard her name through other friends.

[PinkSkyAtNight]

OK, somewhat of a left turn, but I think that some of the tweets and retweets from Greek Leadership accounts are getting somewhat unprofessional. @FSPAC is tweeting articles from the National Review that put in doubt all rape statistics. I wasn't aware that @FSPAC had a particular political lean, but if they do and they are going to use this as a podium to promote it, I will sure as shit be letting my national office & NPC know how I feel about them doing so. Sabrina Rubin Ederly really, really messed this whole conversation up, but jumping on the "many women are liars" bangwagon is sickening, and I can't believe NPC is supporting this type of chorus. Gross, gross, gross.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

OK, somewhat of a left turn, but I think that some of the tweets and retweets from Greek Leadership accounts are getting somewhat unprofessional. @FSPAC is tweeting articles from the National Review that put in doubt all rape statistics. I wasn't aware that @FSPAC had a particular political lean, but if they do and they are going to use this as a podium to promote it, I will sure as shit be letting my national office & NPC know how I feel about them doing so. Sabrina Rubin Ederly really, really messed this whole conversation up, but jumping on the "many women are liars" bangwagon is sickening, and I can't believe NPC is supporting this type of chorus. Gross, gross, gross.

How does questioning the "1 in 5" statistic equate to jumping on the "many women are liars" bandwagon?

[robinseggblue]

Originally Posted by honorgal

This is how it currently reads so I would disagree with Jezebels claim that they removed anything "key":

"Reached by phone, that man, a U-Va. graduate, said Friday that he worked at the Aquatic and Fitness Center and was familiar with Jackie’s name. But he added that he never met Jackie in person and never took her out on a date. He also said he was not a member of Phi Kappa Psi."

Seems like the Washington Post edited that back in. Might have been after or right before or right as the blog post was being published. If the WP doesn't indicate edits, then there's no way to tell but there's a photo on the blog post and it was left out when I read the WP article.

Originally Posted by honorgal

ETA, I do find the wording "in person" a little odd. Don't you usually just say "I've never met xyz?" Maybe they've had some kind of internet interaction? Just struck me as strange wording in this context.

I don't find it odd. I hear it used when people want to say they know of a person, but haven't met in person (since people can "meet" over the internet, e.g. Facebook or forums like 33girl mentioned).

I think to my age group Facebook friends and Facebook chatting would constitute "meeting" but not meeting in person.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by robinseggblue

Seems like the Washington Post edited that back in. Might have been after or right before or right as the blog post was being published. If the WP doesn't indicate edits, then there's no way to tell but there's a photo on the blog post and it was left out when I read the WP article.



I don't find it odd. I hear it used when people want to say they know of a person, but haven't met in person (since people can "meet" over the internet, e.g. Facebook or forums like 33girl mentioned).

I think to my age group Facebook friends and Facebook chatting would constitute "meeting" but not meeting in person.

Yes I agree with that and with 33girl. Which begs the obvious follow up question of has he ever "met her" on line.

And yes, it's really unacceptable for WaPo to keep editing their story online and make no mention of having done so.

[thetalady]

Phi Kappa Psi is going to have a whole new house compliments of RS by the time this crapfest is over. I worry for "Jackie's" ability to handle all of these accusations crashing down on her now. Hope she is being carefully monitored.

[SOM]

Trolls are outing Jackie. That's Rolling Stone's fault too. http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...all_tab_tw_top via @doublexmag

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by SOM

Trolls are outing Jackie. That's Rolling Stone's fault too. http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...all_tab_tw_top via @doublexmag

I admittedly only skimmed Hanna Rosin's piece (who, btw, has done a commendable job on her reporting so far). But I recall multiple instances where it is claimed that Jackie has told some version of her story at a "Take Back THe Night" event. Seems like that would end her anonymity, at least among part of her college campus? Or maybe I'm missing something?

[SOM]

FratPAC Pushes University Of Virginia To End Punishment Of Greek Life http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...hp_ref=college

[1964Alum]

Here it the NPC's separate press release on the matter:

https://www.npcwomen.org/resources/a...%20%285%29.pdf

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by 1964Alum

Here it the NPC's separate press release on the matter:

https://www.npcwomen.org/resources/a...%20%285%29.pdf

I wish they hadn't put in the bit about her being "victimized twice." What we know is that the facts she gave Rolling Stone are untrue. The only real victims in this case are the men of Phi Kappa Psi who had to endure months of being punished for something they didn't do... and to some extent Rolling Stone and the reporter who have both lost a lot of credibility.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I wish they hadn't put in the bit about her being "victimized twice." What we know is that the facts she gave the reporter are untrue. The only real victims in this case are the men of Phi Kappa Psi who had to endure months of being punished for something they didn't do... and to some extent Rolling Stone and the reporter who have both lost a lot of credibility.

FYP slightly. (Since it's not like she talked to multiple people employed by RS)

And there's no way Rolling Stone can be called a "victim" in this. If she would have claimed she was raped by a member of Students For a Greener UVA, RS would have double, triple and quadruple checked and done their due diligence and the story would have never seen print. They absolutely did this to themselves.

Plus this reporter sounds like she watches Law and Order more than I do and fanfics most of it.