Hazing creates a sense of unity

[LPIDelta]

Originally posted by bows&toes
are you joking?

No--if someone is going to make blanket statements like that, I think they should back it up with information.

[LPIDelta]

Originally posted by ilikehazing
. It is impossible to have top fraternity at private schools because of several factors.

You do realize that Baylor, one of the "top" schools you listed, is private, right?

[LPIDelta]

Originally posted by macallan25
You are making an argument out of an unknown situation....you can't just say, "oh, well, if a kid dies of heart failure from overexertion then you and all of your brothers are going to be sued and lose all of your money." I assume both of you are talking about law suits. Its really idiotic to even say something like that and not take into account the situation, setting, parents feelings, etc.

Idiotic as you may find it--national officers and volunteers are in the "business" of protecting the organization from liability. They probably aren't going to spend much time trying to justify why something happened, but be more concerned that it did. And counting on grieving parents to care about what action is taken against a chapter is a gamble I wouldn't want to take. In my research, the courts have shown favor toward national organizations that act swiftly in cases involving injury or death, usually closing the chapter so that there is one less entity to sue or find liable.

Its not that you absolutely will get sued--its that it could happen. And that is what national organizations are trying to prevent--so yes, you may find the rules and definitions extreme, but they are in place at the advice of lawyers and others in order to protect our organizations and our members. The additional benefit is that they also encourage our organizations to adopt programs that will help our members and chapters develop.

[bows&toes]

Originally posted by Heather17
You do realize that Baylor, one of the "top" schools you listed, is private, right?

Its a "top school" with a horrible greek system.

[Tom Earp]

Why is Baylor such a poor Greek School.

Seems that they have a lot of GLOs there.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by macallan25
who gives a flying s**t what an insurance company thinks about a chapter.

You should. That's why your dues are so high -- the large percentage of them go for insurance.

Do the math.

[Tom Earp]

DeltAlum, is that really true?

Well, some get and some dont!

Oh, try laws that make GLO Houses put in Sprinkler systems which will break many Chapters.

Granted, they are needed, but lets take it easy.

That is why it is called Risk Management isnt it? The Risk and Cost.

[bows&toes]

Lots of reasons, one of them being that they dont have houses @ baylor.

[macallan25]

Originally posted by Heather17
You do realize that Baylor, one of the "top" schools you listed, is private, right?

wasn't exlurker the one that posted all of those schools.

[macallan25]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
You should. That's why your dues are so high -- the large percentage of them go for insurance.

Do the math.

I understand that perfectly....allthough I am really not that concerned with dues because I don't pay them personally. I made the comment because I really don't think an insurance company has that much of a bearing on the national reputation of a chapter. Insurance companies are going to do what they want when it comes to the business of them making money.

[macallan25]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Why is Baylor such a poor Greek School.

Seems that they have a lot of GLOs there.

Waco is a horrible town, with horrible athletics, no houses, and the university is ridiculously strict because of its Baptist affiliation.

[ZTAMich]

Originally posted by macallan25
Waco is a horrible town, with horrible athletics, no houses, and the university is ridiculously strict because of its Baptist affiliation.

I think tho that everyone going to Baylor knows what they are getting into when they apply & accept. My sister is on her way there this fall.

[LPIDelta]

Originally posted by ilikehazing
Apparently they're better than average at Baylor too. I could probably go on and on.

He then went on to say:

Originally posted by ilikehazing
It is impossible to have top fraternity at private schools because of several factors.

[bows&toes]

Heather quit trying to grab for straws, you know what the man is trying to say.

[macallan25]

Originally posted by Heather17
He then went on to say:

He said the Beta chapter at Baylor was better than average.....he didn't say it was one of the Tops in the country. Don't be an idiot and try to make something out of nothing.