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Old 09-03-2008, 11:23 PM
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Both speeches were horrible. There were no stars in that camp. I'm sorry. This convention compared to last week's is polar opposite.
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Old 09-04-2008, 12:17 AM
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I'm sorry, Sarah doesn't have all her oars in the water... Just a little slow...
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Old 09-04-2008, 02:00 AM
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I'm sorry, Sarah doesn't have all her oars in the water... Just a little slow...

Oars? LOL. I gotta know where you got this one from becuase it describes her so perfectly. First the possesed comment now this. I will never look at this woman the same way again!


Didnt she say something like "my husband is 1/8th eskimo?" Im through!
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:42 AM
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Funny clip of CNN's Campbell Brown on Palin's Inexperience...
You can forward to 3:15 to get to the really good part.

http://www.clipsandcomment.com/2008/...ampbell-brown/
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Old 09-04-2008, 01:29 PM
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Oars? LOL. I gotta know where you got this one from becuase it describes her so perfectly. First the possesed comment now this. I will never look at this woman the same way again!
What I am saying is, Sarah Palin has too many bats in the belfry and the elevator does not go to the top of her stairs and not all her oars are in the water...

I got all of that from the good ole Southern tradition of hospitality: i.e. "getting more flies with sugar that you do with salt"...
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:49 AM
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I think that she did well in terms of speech delivery - diction, eye contact, body language, etc. She did not make many of the mistakes that novice speakers make.

However, the substance of her speech as well as those of Juliani and Romney were weak. They were filled with innuendos, sarcasm, half-truths and outright lies. Wait until Politifact.com (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/) and FactCheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/) get a hold of those speeches! The partisanship was clearly evident.

They could not keep Barack Obama's name out of their mouths! Every other sentence was about Obama. If they fired up their base, they also fired up Obama's base; last night immediately after her speech, I sat down and sent another donation to Barack Obama....

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Old 09-04-2008, 09:59 AM
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I think that she did well in terms of speech delivery - diction, eye contact, body language, etc. She did not make many of the mistakes that novice speakers make.

However, the substance of her speech as well as those of Juliani and Romney were weak. They were filled with innuendos, sarcasm, half-truths and outright lies. Wait until Politifact.com (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/) and FactCheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/) get a hold of those speeches! The partisanship was clearly evident.

They could not keep Barack Obama's name out of their mouths! Every other sentence was about Obama. If they fired up their base, they also fired up Obama's base; last night immediately after her speech, I sat down and sent another donation to Barack Obama....
The same thing happened at the Dem Convention; even Obama's speech had a number of things to say about McCain.

As for Palin's speech - I thought it was good, but I'm unsure if that was because of my own low expectations going in. I really just wish he had chosen Hutchison if he was set on having a woman on the ticket.

I'd like to see, after all this is over, some explanation on how the McCain camp made its choices during this election season. I'm guessing it will make one heck of a book (like the one written on the 1988 Presidential election).

The Republican speeches definitely were heavy on partisanship, but the same can be said about the Democratic Convention. Neither party was immune.

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Old 09-04-2008, 10:29 AM
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I thought Palin's presentation was good (as a former tv journalist, she knows how to read from a teleprompter) and played well in the convention hall. How the speech played in the country, specifically in the mind of independents, is yet to be known.

This was her first introduction and those are lasting. Was the sarcasm, expected in a VP nominee's speech, too consistent for someone so unknown to the country? People take what you say when they know you, the existing relationship conferring a level of trust to your words. Nobody knows Palin yet, so who knows how her comments will come off, or what it will do to her campaign image?

I thought her speech needed to say something about economic solution ideas for sevearal reasons. One, that's not really been discussed much from the RNC podium to date (in the coverage I've seen), and two, the logistical fact that McCain is going up against NFL Football tonight (Redskins v. Giants) -- so I think the RNC convention, already effectively shortened a day by Hurricaine Gustav, has probably had the largest audience it's going to have.
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Old 09-04-2008, 10:35 AM
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The same thing happened at the Dem Convention; even Obama's speech had a number of things to say about McCain.

The Republican speeches definitely were heavy on partisanship, but the same can be said about the Democratic Convention. Neither party was immune.
Uhmm No...Look we all expect some level of partisanship at these things, no matter if its coming from Democrats or Republicans. But what Dems did at their convention was state verifiable truths. What I heard last night from Republicans were mostly verifiable lies.

Lie#1: Mike Huckabee "Gov. Sarah Palin got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla than Joe Biden got running for president."

Fact: Uhm No. Wasilla has something like 8,000 people max, even if she got votes from every live person in the town twice, she'd have less than the roughly 17,000 Biden got for President.

Lie#2: Rudy Guiliani: A few years later, he [Obama] ran for the U.S. Senate...No leadership or major legislation to speak of.

Fact: No Again. The Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation and Threat Reduction Initiative was signed into law in January of 2007.

Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), this bill expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.

(Weapons of Mass Destruction you know those things we supposedly went into Iraq for.)

Lie#3: Sarah Palin: He's [John McCain] a man....who refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who have now brought victory within sight.

Fact: 3 Strikes, you're out! Not only has he voted against troop benefits countless times but he's been wrong so many times on the Iraq war it's hard to keep track. And by the way there is no victory in sight in Iraq. McCain said they can be there for 100 years.
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Basically what they said at Dems convention was McCain votes with George Bush 90% of the time, which is verifiably true.
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Old 09-04-2008, 11:02 AM
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Uhmm No...Look we all expect some level of partisanship at these things, no matter if its coming from Democrats or Republicans. But what Dems did at their convention was state verifiable truths. What I heard last night from Republicans were mostly verifiable lies.

Lie#1: Mike Huckabee "Gov. Sarah Palin got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla than Joe Biden got running for president."

Fact: Uhm No. Wasilla has something like 8,000 people max, even if she got votes from every live person in the town twice, she'd have less than the roughly 17,000 Biden got for President.

Lie#2: Rudy Guiliani: A few years later, he [Obama] ran for the U.S. Senate...No leadership or major legislation to speak of.

Fact: No Again. The Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation and Threat Reduction Initiative was signed into law in January of 2007.

Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), this bill expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.

(Weapons of Mass Destruction you know those things we supposedly went into Iraq for.)

Lie#3: Sarah Palin: He's [John McCain] a man....who refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who have now brought victory within sight.

Fact: 3 Strikes, you're out! Not only has he voted against troop benefits countless times but he's been wrong so many times on the Iraq war it's hard to keep track. And by the way there is no victory in sight in Iraq. McCain said they can be there for 100 years.
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Basically what they said at Dems convention was McCain votes with George Bush 90% of the time, which is verifiably true.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ing_obama.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...tion_spin.html

Misstatements were made on both sides. I'm not blaming Democrats (or anyone in either party, for that matter), because these convention speeches shouldn't be taken terribly seriously. But, no matter how you feel about Obama, Democrats can't take the moral high road on this one.
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Old 09-04-2008, 11:49 AM
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Thanks for the info...

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I was really speaking of last night's convention speech in contrast to when Michelle or Bill or Hillary spoke.

But, I gather your overall point is both sides lie. I agree. Both sides are imperfect, though one is moreso.

But a lie is still a lie. I will continue to call/blame etc. on any side who chooses to attempt to mislead me in any way.

Btw I checked the factcheck links you posted and they are wanting. The Republican Convention link doesn't cite any of the three lies I named on the Republican side. And the Dem link you sent me was not from other Dem convention speakers but from the Obama speech itself. Also two of the supposed lies analyzing the Obama speech were not lies at all but were what the website itself characterized as "Obama twisted McCain's words" or "Obama knew McCain was joking when he said that." Which means in other words McCain said it...But I Digress...
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Old 09-04-2008, 04:14 PM
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As for Palin's speech - I thought it was good, but I'm unsure if that was because of my own low expectations going in. I really just wish he had chosen Hutchison if he was set on having a woman on the ticket.
Kay Bailey Hutchinson of Texas?? She is as about as exciting as dishwater! Can you imagine Hutchinson and McCain on stage at the same time? SNOOZE CITY

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Old 09-05-2008, 12:03 AM
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Kay Bailey Hutchinson of Texas?? She is as about as exciting as dishwater! Can you imagine Hutchinson and McCain on stage at the same time? SNOOZE CITY
ROTFLMBO!

Did anyone else notice that JMAC doesn't have a neck? Palin was behind him and he was looking for her so he had to turn his whole body around until he was facing her before he could find her. He is just SO old!

I have a few problems with the Reps.
1. They seem to think that the 17 y/o's pregnancy can be overlooked because "From the inside, no family ever seems typical.
That's how it is with us. Our family has the same ups and downs as any other ... the same challenges and the same joys." To this I say, NO! Your family is not like every other family. Your family is considered abnormal and disfunctional! If we are supposed to accept a vice presidential candidate who has a daughter who is knocked up and boozing at 17 then we might as well all board the Greyhound bus to Hell because that is where we are headed (I dont personally believe this, but "conservatives" do). The president and vice-president are supposed to have model families (eventhough they are not most of the time; they at least pretend to be until after the election)

2. The JMac camp played the sex card way too soon. Theyre already claiming sexism when no one has even said anything about Palin really. Most people still dont know much about who she is.

3. Although SP's speech was supposed to be "Obama-like" in the way it roused the crowd and the fact that she got so many viewers many of her comments may hurt Jmac and help Obama. For example:
And I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.
This comment is supposed to help her, but it supports Obama as well. She loses credibility with this comment because He has much more experience than she does.

Another example:
The right reason is to challenge the status quo, to serve the common good, and to leave this nation better than we found it.
No one expects us to agree on everything.
But we are expected to govern with integrity, good will, clear convictions, and ... a servant's heart.
Her running mate JMac IS the status Quo and has agreed with the creator of the current status (GWBush) 90 percent of the time. Integrity, good will, clear convictions, and a servant's heart are the EXACT ideals that Obama represents. Those are the key points in his campaign message. John McCain has never uttered a word about changing the status quo so as his running mate you saying you are running to change something that he wants to remain the same makes no sense. It also doesnt matter because the Vice President (clearly you still dont know what the VP does) doesnt make decisions. They do nothing unless the president dies.
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Old 09-05-2008, 10:00 AM
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However, the substance of her speech as well as those of Juliani and Romney were weak. They were filled with innuendos, sarcasm, half-truths and outright lies. Wait until Politifact.com (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/) and FactCheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/) get a hold of those speeches! The partisanship was clearly evident.

Here we go....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_part_ii.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/
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Old 09-06-2008, 08:57 AM
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The fact check on McCain's speech is now available....http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ng_mccain.html
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