Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince Discussion

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by AOIIsilver
What if seeing his mother be killed *made* Harry's eyes into a Horcrux? That way, they could be "put out" (shudder) to destroy the Horcrux, and he could still live to kill HWMNBN...

Interesting idea -- I'll have to give it some thought. There is definitely something going on with the eyes.

I had a wild speculation last night as well. I was re-reading "The Cry of the Phoenix" chapter, and both Tonks and McGonnegal comment on Dumbledore's trust of Snape. McG says something along the lines of "he seemed to know something we didn't." Tonks, I think, said something along the lines of "I always thought he must have something on Snape."

My wild speculation: What if Snape made an Unbreakable Vow to Dumbledore? When Snape said he didn't want "to do this anymore," Dumbledore did remind him that he "promised."

[Lindz928]

Originally posted by AOIIsilver
A wild idea....
Let's mix the idea of Harry being a Horcrux and his eyes being important...

What if seeing his mother be killed *made* Harry's eyes into a Horcrux? That way, they could be "put out" (shudder) to destroy the Horcrux, and he could still live to kill HWMNBN...

Creepy, but possible?

Silver

Seeing as how a horcrux seems to be such difficult and dark magic, I honestly don't see how anything could "accidentally" make a horcrux. I see a horcrux as something that takes quite alot of preparation and work and power.

So, no I don't think that there are any horcruxes that just "happen" when someone dies.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by Lindz928
Seeing as how a horcrux seems to be such difficult and dark magic, I honestly don't see how anything could "accidentally" make a horcrux. I see a horcrux as something that takes quite alot of preparation and work and power.

So, no I don't think that there are any horcruxes that just "happen" when someone dies.

You're probably right with regard to Lily's death.

But, if HWMNBN was in fact trying to make a Horcrux when he killed Harry (as DD suspected), when the killing went awry the Horcrux spell may have gone awry as well, creating an unintended Horcrux -- maybe trapping the soul fragment in the intended victim. After all, early on DD told Harry that he thought HWMNBN had unknowingly "transferred" some of his power to Harry when he tried to kill him. Was DD on the right path to a Horcrux?

I'm still betting that Harry's scar is the final Horcrux, or is at least the key to the final Horcrux.

[Lindz928]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
You're probably right with regard to Lily's death.

But, if HWMNBN was in fact trying to make a Horcrux when he killed Harry (as DD suspected), when the killing went awry the Horcrux spell may have gone awry as well, creating an unintended Horcrux -- maybe trapping the soul fragment in the intended victim. After all, early on DD told Harry that he thought HWMNBN had unknowingly "transferred" some of his power to Harry when he tried to kill him. Was DD on the right path to a Horcrux?

I'm still betting that Harry's scar is the final Horcrux, or is at least the key to the final Horcrux.

I can see how people would think this, but I just don't buy into it. I think it will be much more straightforward than all of that.

Yeah, he definately transfered some power to Harry, and there is a very obvious connection between the two psychologically, but I personally think it kind of stops there.

Who knows, I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. Haha. But until then, I still think this way.

[OtterXO]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
Interesting idea -- I'll have to give it some thought. There is definitely something going on with the eyes.

I had a wild speculation last night as well. I was re-reading "The Cry of the Phoenix" chapter, and both Tonks and McGonnegal comment on Dumbledore's trust of Snape. McG says something along the lines of "he seemed to know something we didn't." Tonks, I think, said something along the lines of "I always thought he must have something on Snape."

My wild speculation: What if Snape made an Unbreakable Vow to Dumbledore? When Snape said he didn't want "to do this anymore," Dumbledore did remind him that he "promised."

OOOOooooo....I never thought of that before. I thought there had to be a reason that she showed us the unbreakable vow but I couldn't figure out what it was. That makes sense actually!!!

[BetteDavisEyes]

Oooooh! Good catch on that one.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
My wild speculation: What if Snape made an Unbreakable Vow to Dumbledore? When Snape said he didn't want "to do this anymore," Dumbledore did remind him that he "promised."

I like that.......

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally posted by Lindz928
Seeing as how a horcrux seems to be such difficult and dark magic, I honestly don't see how anything could "accidentally" make a horcrux. I see a horcrux as something that takes quite alot of preparation and work and power.

So, no I don't think that there are any horcruxes that just "happen" when someone dies.

I agree.

[_Opi_]

I just finished the book!! Finally...took me like a week to read it, which is pretty sad.

In any case, I just realized that I need to reread the entire collection again. The problem was..I started reading the 5th book when it came out, and then read the 4th book. I havent touched books 1-3. So I am missing alot of backstory and clues.

I thought the last portion of book 6 was AMAZING..altho I kinda knew DD was gonna die...sad loss, nonetheless.

My predictions for book 7:

1- Snape is innocent
2- Harry's scar is the Horcrux - that would explain why he has a strong connection to Voldermort, and why he will be his equal

[CutiePie2000]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
I'm still betting that Harry's scar is the final Horcrux, or is at least the key to the final Horcrux.

YAY! I finally finished the book!

Okay, I am in agreement with you that the scar is / may be a horcrux.

1) After all, in the entire Harry Potter series, there has been much more of a "to do" about Harry's scar than there really should be, which leads me to believe that there is more to the scar than previously thought, and that it is a horcrux.

2) I haven't read OotP in years, but remember how there was some prophecy about how one cannot live, while the other one lives too, or something like that? (i.e. Voldemort and Harry cannot be living at the same time?) I was thinking, why is it, that Voldemort is so obsessed with Harry, beyond him merely surviving an attack? And I was thinking, maybe that Harry has to be killed by Voldemort, in order for Voldemort's horcrux within Harry to be released? So that's why Voldemort has been dogging him, book after book...he wants to get his little soul-morsel back.

By this logic, even if Harry kills Voldemort's body first, Voldemort will nonetheless "come back to life", because the little piece of V's soul would still be "inside" Harry and Voldemort could "summon" it or whatever, to inhabit V's body.

What do y'all think?

How can Harry outlive Voldemort, if he has V's soul inside of him? It would be impossible.

Oh, and also JK Rowling has been very tongue in cheek and has kind of danced around the notion that Harry may not actually live at the end of Book 7.

[Lindz928]

Originally posted by CutiePie2000

How can Harry outlive Voldemort, if he has V's soul inside of him? It would be impossible.

This is EXACTLY why I keep saying that his scar has NOTHING to do with a horcrux!!!

If Harry was a horcrux Voldemort would NOT keep trying to kill him!

I just don't think this Harry/Horcrux idea makes any sense whatsoever. *Personal opinion.*

[CutiePie2000]

Originally posted by Lindz928
If Harry was a horcrux Voldemort would NOT keep trying to kill him!

But maybe killing Harry is the only way to get the scar-horcrux "out" or released from Harry's body?
Therefore, no matter what Harry tries, Voldemort will be able to outlive him, because Voldemort will be able to draw upon multiple other little soul pieces, even if a piece gets killed off, unless Harry creates a horcrux of himself and stashes in something inanimate (like Hedwig's litter box )

Uh oh...if this is true, then Harry is gonna be dead at the end of Book 7.
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An additional thought:
Any chance that the Philosopher's Stone (i.e. Sorceror's Stone if you read the American version) had a horcrux in it? Remeber how hellbent Voldemort was on getting his little hands on it in Book #1?! Hmmmmm.......

[Lindz928]

Originally posted by CutiePie2000
But maybe killing Harry is the only way to get the scar-horcrux "out" or released from Harry's body?
Therefore, no matter what Harry tries, Voldemort will be able to outlive him, because Voldemort will be able to draw upon multiple other little soul pieces, even if a piece gets killed off, unless Harry creates a horcrux of himself and stashes in something inanimate (like Hedwig's litter box )

Uh oh...if this is true, then Harry is gonna be dead at the end of Book 7.
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An additional thought:
Any chance that the Philosopher's Stone (i.e. Sorceror's Stone if you read the American version) had a horcrux in it? Remeber how hellbent Voldemort was on getting his little hands on it in Book #1?! Hmmmmm.......

I don't think V would go to the trouble of making a horcrux just to destroy it himself.

I don't see Harry doing any kind of magic as dark as making a horcrux. Slughorn was afraid to even TALK about how to make a horcrux because it is such dark magic. I think Harry is too good to do something like that.

Also, wasn't the reason Voldemort was so bent on getting the Sorcer's Stone was so that he could make the "Elixer of Life" and become imortal?

I guess I just have that "hero" complex that says that the whole series will be meaningless if Harry dies. The good HAS to triumph over the evil... It just has to. hahaha

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Ok, these are two totally wild ideas I had the other night about the horcrux that was created the night Harry's parents died. Two items were there that were in the possession of people thought to be sympathetic to V.

1) V's wand which one of the later books says that Wormtail "brought back to his master". Though I'm not at all sure that a wand could be made a horcrux.

2) Sirius' motorbike. We know that Hagrid found Sirius at the house (with his bike). He borrowed it to get Harry to Privet Drive.

Like I said, wild ideas...........

[Lindz928]

Originally posted by SmartBlondeGPhB
Ok, these are two totally wild ideas I had the other night about the horcrux that was created the night Harry's parents died.

I'm trying to remember. Do we actually KNOW that a horcrux was made with Harry's parents' death? I can't remember J.K. or Dumbledore actually saying that. Anyone remember?