Ex-Gang Members? - Page 13

Intense1920 · #**181** 04-09-2004, 04:42 PM

Because she started a thread the other day asking if anyone had seen purple people. It was joke.

ChaosDST · #**182** 04-09-2004, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Let's stop talking about the hypotheticals...who here has even had a problem with this situation??

It's like saying "would you like to die of a knife wound or a gun shot"? At the end of the day most likely neither of these will happen to you.

-Rudey

I know a couple of young men who were in gangs. They changed their lives around, went off to college, pledged fraternities, and graduated from college. Both are wonderful people and assets to their organizations.

(Sidebar) To whomever made an indirect reference to my posts about what types of activities gangs involve themselves in: Right, spray painting signs is not a GOOD thing. But, (using the logic that some people in this thread have been using) I'd rather have a FORMER gang member in my chapter who spray painted some signs in her wayward days as a 13 year old THAN have a FORMER gang member who served prison time for shooting someone when they were 13.

Both are in someone's past and occurred during youth, but if we're talking about (what many people alluded to as) threats to safety and integrity, I think the latter COULD (not a definite) be a greater indicater than the former. If people are adamently against gangs, PERIOD, they should think about the wide variety of gangs and gang activities, out there. Most things in life aren't so cut and dry...but, it appears to be to most of you.

ChaosDST · #**183** 04-09-2004, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by SATX*APhi
I never said it was the view of the majority, and I know you never said I did either.

I've stated my opinion and that's that.

Right. I'm just commending you and wishing others could be as objective.

That is all.

Rudey · #**184** 04-09-2004, 04:52 PM

So far this seems to have only happened to someone you know and not even you. I haven't even heard of it being an issue before. I guess the odds are just slightly over what would happen if Milosevic wanted to join your org. It's low but it can happen and some people might not care and some might. Great discussion.

-Rudey

ChaosDST · #**185** 04-09-2004, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
So far this seems to have only happened to someone you know and not even you. I haven't even heard of it being an issue before. I guess the odds are just slightly over what would happen if Milosevic wanted to join your org. It's low but it can happen and some people might not care and some might. Great discussion.

-Rudey

It has happened to two people (these people are the actual former gang members) I'm close to. Something doesn't have to happen to MY CHAPTER for me to know how I feel about it.

If we're going based on likelihood: There are parts of this country where gang activity is more rampid than others. There are parts of this country where many of the Greeks ARE former gang members, because gang membership is a part of the local culture. So, likelihood isn't important b/c this thread didn't start off with the premise of likelihood. Just know that ANYTHING'S possible and that's ALL that matters.

Rudey · #**186** 04-09-2004, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by ChaosDST
It has happened to two people (these people are the actual former gang members) I'm close to. Something doesn't have to happen to MY CHAPTER for me to know how I feel about it.

If we're going based on likelihood: There are parts of this country where gang activity is more rampid than others. There are parts of this country where many of the Greeks ARE former gang members, because gang membership is a part of the local culture. So, likelihood isn't important b/c this thread didn't start off with the premise of likelihood. Just know that ANYTHING'S possible and that's ALL that matters.

Hey I didn't deny the possibility. Tomorrow we're initiating two guys from Mars. Nobody thought that would happen but we like to be groundbreakers.

-Rudey

SATX*APhi · #**187** 04-09-2004, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by ChaosDST
Right. I'm just commending you and wishing others could be as objective.

That is all.

Alright. Gotcha.

ChaosDST · #**188** 04-09-2004, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Hey I didn't deny the possibility. Tomorrow we're initiating two guys from Mars. Nobody thought that would happen but we like to be groundbreakers.

-Rudey

Exactly! Anything's possible. You managed to find two guys from your hometown, Mars. You're an asset to your organization.

DeltAlum · #**189** 04-09-2004, 05:16 PM

People change. If there is a way to assure that they truly are EX gang members, I would have no problem with them.

kddani · #**190** 04-09-2004, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by ChaosDST
Exactly! Anything's possible. You managed to find two guys from your hometown, Mars. You're an asset to your organization.

Lol, there's actually a town not far from Pittsburgh called Mars, PA.

Bet there's a decent sized handful of GLO members from Mars.

AXJules · #**191** 04-09-2004, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by FeeFee
Well, obviously it wasn't their fault neither, so why blame them for their unfortunate situation???

That's exactly what I said when you quoted me. It's NOT their fault, but it isn't mine either. I'm spending upwards of $4,000- you can bet I'm going to live in the safest, best place possible with the best girls....and when I have input as to who is chosen to live with us and wear my letters, it's my perogative to choose someone who didn't make what I feel is a foolish decision.

Again, their reasons may have been totally valid....they had the right to join a gang, I have the right to not associate with that.

ChaosDST · #**192** 04-09-2004, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by kddani
Lol, there's actually a town not far from Pittsburgh called Mars, PA.

Bet there's a decent sized handful of GLO members from Mars.

That's got "bad joke" potential.

ChaosDST · #**193** 04-09-2004, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by AXJules
I'm spending upwards of $4,000- you can bet I'm going to live in the safest, best place possible with the best girls....and when I have input as to who is chosen to live with us and wear my letters, it's my perogative to choose someone who didn't make what I feel is a foolish decision.

Is that how much it costs for you to live in the house?

Tom Earp · #**194** 04-09-2004, 05:23 PM

I am very surprised in all of this dialog that no one has brought up Hells Angels or The KKK?

Throw in The Aryan Nation for just seasoning!

While "Gangs" and "Groups/Clubs" may seem similar in structure, maybe the Biggest difference is the purpose that they were started?

Protect a Turf problem, have a structure, as opposed to a Greek Letter Organization with different Ideal and Morals who also have a structure.

Is there a difference between the two with the hazing? Yes.

Do Greek Organizations Haze and do some very stupid things that people get hurt or killed, yes. Was that The intent, I dont think so! Stupid and damn dumb, Yes!

Is it possible that any Group/Organiztion could have someone with a background who had problems but had the will to change their life styles. Yes, and I find nothing wrong with that! Good for them!

Maybe Gangs run rampant in a structured society, while clubs run a structured society and screw up.

kddani · #**195** 04-09-2004, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by ChaosDST
Is that how much it costs for you to live in the house?

School year is 8 months long, approx., so that's only $500/month. not sure where AXJules lives, but that's not too bad.

And you're right... the town of Mars, PA has lots of jokes. Of course, the customs officials going into Canada didn't think it was a joke when several people I was with said they were from Mars when he asked them where they were from (true story)