Mizzou Recruitment

[GoMizzou]

Ok-that's part of the problem. We know several girls that were cut-who , if we are talking tiers, which is ridiculous, did not want some of the 'top' tier houses. Perhaps shocking to some, but some of these girls have worked themselves to the bone in high school-and don't want to settle for a 'pretty' house when actually they are being cut by those other houses because they assume these 'pretty' girls won't give them a chance- and they want to maximize their options. But that might be part of the problem-because they are 'pretty' some of those other houses cut them because they think they won't consider them? From what I've just read-it seems there are many thinking girls dropped when they didn't get a 'top' house. I personally know for a fact there were many girls that wanted what you might consider mid-or even lower-tier houses. they were dropped early. they had 2 options. they were nervous because they didn't want a 'pretty' or 'party' house. It works both ways, girls are far more educated these days than people give them credit for. I would say more specifically on this, but I do not want to offend anyone on what choices their daughters make. It's unfortunate to think that there are parents who think the only reason girls drop is because they didn't get a 'top' house. "top" is defined differently by many-lets not lump all these girls into being totally superficial.

[Momoftiger]

Originally Posted by GoMizzou

Ok-that's part of the problem. We know several girls that were cut-who , if we are talking tiers, which is ridiculous, did not want some of the 'top' tier houses. Perhaps shocking to some, but some of these girls have worked themselves to the bone in high school-and don't want to settle for a 'pretty' house when actually they are being cut by those other houses because they assume these 'pretty' girls won't give them a chance- and they want to maximize their options. But that might be part of the problem-because they are 'pretty' some of those other houses cut them because they think they won't consider them? From what I've just read-it seems there are many thinking girls dropped when they didn't get a 'top' house. I personally know for a fact there were many girls that wanted what you might consider mid-or even lower-tier houses. they were dropped early. they had 2 options. they were nervous because they didn't want a 'pretty' or 'party' house. It works both ways, girls are far more educated these days than people give them credit for. I would say more specifically on this, but I do not want to offend anyone on what choices their daughters make. It's unfortunate to think that there are parents who think the only reason girls drop is because they didn't get a 'top' house. "top" is defined differently by many-lets not lump all these girls into being totally superficial.

Thank you for bringing this up. I definitely agree

[carnation]

Over the years, we've seen people suggest that these outstanding girls who are dropped approach a sorority that's under total and try to join as a group. I recall this happening a few times and here's how it went down. The juniors and seniors highly resented the newbs who were trying to change their sorority into something they never wanted (maybe the older ones liked the smaller size or low-key ways) and all hell broke loose.

The idea really does sound great in theory but it doesn't always play out like you'd think it would.

[pbear19]

Quota was 83!!!

Every chapter matched to quota!!!

Congrats to all involved. I suspect there may be a few chapters who are below total once that number is released. (Including my own chapter, potentially.) So there may be COB options. But with every chapter matching to quota, there will be no snap bids this year.

Here's to hoping the PNMs on the field this morning are thrilled with their new homes!

Also, while I won't disclose actual numbers, as I'm not sure that is appropriate, I will reiterate that, as of the end of recruitment, 9.7% of the women who registered and did not end up with a bid were released by all chapters. The other 90.3% chose to withdraw when they still had invitations, or failed to maximize their options after preference (suicide or only listed 2 of 3). I'm not blaming those women or casting stones, but I think it is important not to malign the process or disparage the entire system based on rumors about how many women were released this year. Again, hugs to anyone who is disappointed. I can only imagine the heartbreak!!

[WalkintheWoods]

Originally Posted by pbear19

Quota was 83!!!

Every chapter matched to quota!!!

Congrats to all involved. I suspect there may be a few chapters who are below total once that number is released. (Including my own chapter, potentially.) So there may be COB options. But with every chapter matching to quota, there will be no snap bids this year.

Here's to hoping the PNMs on the field this morning are thrilled with their new homes!

Also, while I won't disclose actual numbers, as I'm not sure that is appropriate, I will reiterate that, as of the end of recruitment, 9.7% of the women who registered and did not end up with a bid were released by all chapters. The other 90.3% chose to withdraw when they still had invitations, or failed to maximize their options after preference (suicide or only listed 2 of 3). I'm not blaming those women or casting stones, but I think it is important not to malign the process or disparage the entire system based on rumors about how many women were released this year. Again, hugs to anyone who is disappointed. I can only imagine the heartbreak!!

WOW this is wonderful!!! How long has it been since every chapter made quota? I think this speaks to the power of RFM and also bodes well for the strength of ALL the chapters on campus. I'm really happy to hear this.

[GoMizzou]

I feel badly this board has gone from one that had been 100% totally supportive to one making opinions on girls that drop. We all want girls to stick it out to the end-but unfortunately-that's not always realistic. My daughter is in a very good position with her choices-I feel horrible for others that are not. Once you experience this first hand you have a different perspective. Yes-we want them to stick it out to the end-but unfortunately that's not always the best option for all. Lets get back to supporting-or at least trying to understand-others options. This board has been a wonderful resource long before I had someone starting recruitment--Please lets keep it positive and supportive!

[beagled1]

Every girl should absolutely do what she believe is best for her. It's up to the people in the system, including me as an alum who loves it, to fix the system, not the PNMs. I guess I was just lamenting that so many girls miss out when there are spots available and wondering how to change ithat. I hate that girls end up disappointed.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by GoMizzou

And I am telling you-I would TOTALLY encourage my daughter-if she had not many options-to get that group together and pledge a house--it's to bad some of the pi chi leaders couldn't organize something like that with girls they knew were dropped or had one other option. Being in education all my life, I know that sometimes it takes some skilled coordinating to make something positive happen!

I love this. Those girls need to get together, take a week to regroup and appproach one of those groups who didn't do well in formal as a block. Because groups can still take up to quota even for a while after formal rush, and of course up to total any time they are under total.

Originally Posted by beagled1

If Alabama really has fixed this, I want to know how. I hate to see so many young women miss out on a the sorority experience because of ... all this other junk.

I'm speaking as an absolute outsider to that system, but it seems to be more supportive, and I'm also going to say something that I'm sure will make more people than usual think that I'm off my nut. I think that issue that they had a couple years ago with the alumnae trying to cut girls and the collegian standing up and saying hell to the No was the best thing that could have ever happened. I think it showed that the sorority system was no longer the provenance of a select few and the people really were trying to change the status quo and make it more accepting and open. Also, they've been accepting a lot more out of state students who may be do not have the same preconceptions coming in that people who have lived there all their lives have.

[pbear19]

Please know that I am not disparaging any woman who chose to drop from recruitment! I can only imagine how much they are hurting. It's such an emotional roller coaster. My position is not one of throwing stones, but of heartache for the fact that they are missing out on an incredible life experience.

But please also know that I am not guessing about the numbers. No matter what rumors say, as of the exact time I posted last night, 9 of 10 women who were no longer participating had chosen to drop. I'm not saying they didn't have hard cuts. But they also still had at least one, if not more, invitations left. I'm not a mom (at least not of a PNM) I am an advisor. I checked the actual numbers on Campus Director right before I posted last night.

Hugs to all who are hurting!!

[Missouri Ivy]

Live stream from Faurot Field at 10 am.

[WalkintheWoods]

Thinking of all the Moms this morning--those whose daughters are waiting for Bids, and also those who were up last night wondering how to support their girls who are so sad that they won't be at Faurot today.

Hang in there everyone! This week classes begin and whatever the outcome, their focus can move beyond Rush and onto finding their place on campus academically and socially. For a lot of these girls a sorority will be an important part of that picture and I am just thrilled for them. 30 years later I feel more connected to my sorority than ever and see, with hindsight, benefits that I didn't even realize as a collegian.

For those who aren't Greek at the moment, academic and service Greek Letter Organizations, faith based organizations, Residence Halls, student government, clubs focused on sports and any other interest you can imagine are all ways to start getting involved on campus. And there's always COB! Again, if that's an interest for your daughters, encourage them to reach out to new sorority members in their dorms and classes and other organizations in the coming months. The more involved and invested they become on campus, the happier they'll be (while also likely improving their chances of joining a sorority later via COB).

A big hug to everyone here: Moms and chapter advisors. We all want what's best for Mizzou's Greek system and for the girls going through recruitment. Chapter advisors and Panhellenic Officers, thank you very much for your service to your GLOs and to the Greek System. You help keep Mizzou sororities strong.

[AGDmommy]

No call this am for my girl :-) I guess the risk was worth it! So sad for the girls who didn't get matched.

[WalkintheWoods]

Originally Posted by AGDmommy

No call this am for my girl :-) I guess the risk was worth it! So sad for the girls who didn't get matched.

Hooray! So happy for your daughter ADGmommy!

[WalkintheWoods]

pbear 19 and any other chapter advisors, question for you:

Since this year's quota is smaller than last year's (I believe last year it was 93), what will they do in terms of placing new members with Bigs? Maybe this varies from sorority to sorority. Just wondering if they will have some new members with two pledge Moms/Bigs, or what?

[Griffins&Quills]

Originally Posted by WalkintheWoods

Since this year's quota is smaller than last year's (I believe last year it was 93), what will they do in terms of placing new members with Bigs? Maybe this varies from sorority to sorority. Just wondering if they will have some new members with two pledge Moms/Bigs, or what?

Usually it's just that not everyone gets a little. That's how it works in most chapters.