The 2006 Carnation Rush Thread - Page 12

FSUZeta · #**166** 08-14-2006, 10:55 AM

quota additions was discussed in another thread-quota additions are implemented for the benefit of the pnm-panhellenic does truly try to match as many girls as possible. we all want as many girls to be able to have their first choice as possible-sometimes someone's first choice bid list gets filled before their name comes up. normal procedure is to then try to match the girl up with her 2nd choice, and then her third, but sometimes, those bid lists too are filled before her name would come up.

(i.e., zoe,xyz rusher, got the feeling that patty pnm had her heart set on abc, after preffing her. xyz does not want to risk putting patty on their first bid list and not making quota, but they liked her well enough to take a chance on her by putting her on their 2nd bid list. patty puts xyz as her 2nd choice, but xyz fills to quota before their 2nd bid list-after all is said and done, she does not match to anyone, but she was number 61 on abc's list, and quota was 60, so panhellenic allowed abc to extend a bid to patty. noone but panhellenic would know this, so all is happy in abc house.)

PenguinTrax · #**167** 08-14-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MSKKG

I thought quota additions were the "freebies" like juniors and/or seniors.

AlphaFrog, I agree with you. There is a fine line between Panhellenic fairness and fairness to the PNM.

Not all campuses set a different (or no) quota for Junior and Senior class members. This practice is not an NPC standard thing, but varies from campus to campus.

PenguinTrax · #**168** 08-14-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SydneyK

I have absolutely no knowledge of what things are like at Auburn outside of the discussions that have happened here. And, in no way am I wanting to ruffle any feathers here. So, with that said...

If quota was 58, and AZD has a NM class of 23, then I don't think the release figures are working as well as they should be. If there weren't quota additions, AZD could have (theoretically) pledged 48.

I guess I just don't understand quota additions when one of the groups has a NM class of less than half of all the others.

Again, I'm just going on math and what could theoretically happen. Maybe I just need someone to explain how/why other groups can take as many as 63 (no offense, GPhiB) and one of the groups gets only 23.

Can anyone help explain this to me?

It is possible that AXiD underinvited - it happens, even against recommendations. It happened a few years ago to a huge chapter here at FSU. They underinvited, were warned and they still cut heavily, much lower than they needed to based on release figures. As a result, they did not make quota and had to COB that fall, something they've not had to do in decades.

Without being on the campus, or a member of that Fraternity, none of us can guess as to the real reason.

For comparison, this is the list from 2005 recruitment. AXiD was also under quota there as well:

AChiO 62
ADPi 62
AGD 62
AOII 62
AXiD 27
ChiO 62
Tri Delt 62
DG 62
DZ 62
GPhiB 59
KD 61
KKG 62
Phi Mu 62
Pi Phi 62
SK 62
ZTA 62

Maybe it is something to do with the fact that AXiD has only been on campus 26 years? I don't know - lots of cute girls in the chapter and lots of activities.

http://www.auburn.edu/student_info/g...lta/index.html

AlphaFrog · #**169** 08-14-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

It is possible that AXiD underinvited - it happens, even against recommendations. It happened a few years ago to a huge chapter here at FSU. They underinvited, were warned and they still cut heavily, much lower than they needed to based on release figures. As a result, they did not make quota and had to COB that fall, something they've not had to do in decades.

Without being on the campus, or a member of that Fraternity, none of us can guess as to the real reason.

What's the theory behind underinviting?? Only trying to get the "most elite" pledges?? Trying to create scarcity, and therefore demand??

PenguinTrax · #**170** 08-14-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

What's the theory behind underinviting?? Only trying to get the "most elite" pledges?? Trying to create scarcity, and therefore demand??

I wouldn't say 'elite' at all, It could be that in the chapter's eyes, only a limited number of women were to their standards or 'clicked' with the chapter.

Drolefille · #**171** 08-14-2006, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

What's the theory behind underinviting?? Only trying to get the "most elite" pledges?? Trying to create scarcity, and therefore demand??

My guess is that due to numbers, it would have been suggested that AXiD not release any women early on . This doesn't mean they wouldn't have chosen to release some women.

Also sometimes these things aren't planned, but are a result of fighting w/in the chapter. I don't really want to go into details and all that. But lets just say it's not always intentional.

Clearly I have no idea what happened here, whether the return numbers are more due to PNMs or the chapter.

FSUZeta · #**172** 08-14-2006, 01:16 PM

and lets not forget cob-alpha xi might be really good at cob and in the next few weeks they will pledge up to total. i hope so.

why, we know of two of the rainbow girls who dropped out of recruitment before the first party-maybe they would be more comfortable in a low key setting that cobing provides. alpha xi- call these girls!!!

AXiDTrish · #**173** 08-14-2006, 02:48 PM

You guys are sooo making me smile on what could be a hellacious day at work! Thank you!!! I love reading this stuff!

First, Carnation, congrats to your NM's! Very exciting!

Second, after a 90 minute conversation with an alumna of our Auburn chapter who was on the campus and still closely tied to the collegiates, the chapter is VERY excited about the women then received....and that's not just lip service...it's the truth. From what I was told, they weren't even worried about the number of women versus what the other chapters received. They got the women they wanted and that is all that mattered to them. I wish MY collegiate chapter had that same attitude!!! HA! I wish the chapter I advise had that same attitude!!!

After watching the numbers for a couple/few years on different campuses, it appears the new release figures work. AZD isn't as well known in the south and it makes our just a little bit tougher...but that's ok...we still get great girls!

So Carnation....back on topic....you have a couple girls going through UGA's right? Bid day tomorrow?

Drolefille · #**174** 08-14-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AXiDTrish

You guys are sooo making me smile on what could be a hellacious day at work! Thank you!!! I love reading this stuff!

First, Carnation, congrats to your NM's! Very exciting!

Second, after a 90 minute conversation with an alumna of our Auburn chapter who was on the campus and still closely tied to the collegiates, the chapter is VERY excited about the women then received....and that's not just lip service...it's the truth. From what I was told, they weren't even worried about the number of women versus what the other chapters received. They got the women they wanted and that is all that mattered to them. I wish MY collegiate chapter had that same attitude!!! HA! I wish the chapter I advise had that same attitude!!!

After watching the numbers for a couple/few years on different campuses, it appears the new release figures work. AZD isn't as well known in the south and it makes our just a little bit tougher...but that's ok...we still get great girls!

So Carnation....back on topic....you have a couple girls going through UGA's right? Bid day tomorrow?

Awesome about AXiD. That's really what is important

Quantity over Quality is never the better choice

PenguinTrax · #**175** 08-14-2006, 03:03 PM

That's great news, Trish! I'd rather have fewer girls that really want to be there, than half of a new member class that drops out before initiation. Continued best wishes to your girls at Auburn!

irishpipes · #**176** 08-14-2006, 04:26 PM

This question doesn't just apply to AXiD at Auburn, but to any school where housing is not an issue: isn't the attitude Trish is talking about better for the chapter? If you don't have the financial pressure of having to fill a house, and you are getting enough members to fill officer positions and pay dues for socials, etc., then why not accept fewer members who are very committed and who project a good image rather than accept members who maybe won't do your chapter any good in the long run? Still stay very selective so that you don't develop a poor reputation? I know that consistently not making quota can hurt a reputation, but I would think that taking a smaller number of exceptional women would help your chapter more than taking quota - or close to it - of sub-par PNMs. Obviously to remain viable a chapter has to initiate enough members to fill necessary offices and to pay the bills, but above that isn't it all just gravy to an extent?

Drolefille · #**177** 08-14-2006, 04:30 PM

It's a tricky balance between appearing selective and appearing weak. (Not talking about realities just appearances) Even if internally you are happy, externally you can be viewed poorly. As long as your chapter is happy, and your HQ is happy, you're fine.

Accepting a ton of women just to fill quota leads to weaker chapter.

33girl · #**178** 08-14-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by irishpipes

This question doesn't just apply to AXiD at Auburn, but to any school where housing is not an issue: isn't the attitude Trish is talking about better for the chapter? If you don't have the financial pressure of having to fill a house, and you are getting enough members to fill officer positions and pay dues for socials, etc., then why not accept fewer members who are very committed and who project a good image rather than accept members who maybe won't do your chapter any good in the long run? Still stay very selective so that you don't develop a poor reputation? I know that consistently not making quota can hurt a reputation, but I would think that taking a smaller number of exceptional women would help your chapter more than taking quota - or close to it - of sub-par PNMs. Obviously to remain viable a chapter has to initiate enough members to fill necessary offices and to pay the bills, but above that isn't it all just gravy to an extent?

Yes.

But if your national office isn't of that mindset, it isn't going to matter. And sometimes it's hard to explain to them, especially if they all came from chapters that had the pick of who they wanted to pledge. They just honestly do not understand what it's like.

Sometimes you do pick up "diamonds in the rough" and the women that everyone else rejected and you ended up with turn out to be super sisters, super campus leaders, and super in terms of improving the chapter's overall reputation. But most of the time, not so much.

adpiucf · #**179** 08-14-2006, 05:05 PM

Financially, I don't understand how a chapter can afford not to bid every open spot. Do they know something we don't know: how to accomodate a chapter's bills and obligations without the budgeted number of new members that next fall from recruitment?

33girl · #**180** 08-14-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by adpiucf

Financially, I don't understand how a chapter can afford not to bid every open spot.

It's called "campus total that hasn't been reevaluated since Reagan was in office." The only thing I can see is if your national bases your insurance or certain dues on having X amount of members in a chapter.