On hazing

[Tom Earp]

GreekGirl, you do not understand!!!!!!

Getting your ass beat or drink till you go into convulsions is building a closer Brother/Sisterhood!

Yeow RIGHT!

That is still the problem with some Orgaizations, they still beleive this. Idiocy can still run rampant in this day and age, which circumspects the intelligence of some Students in this day and age.

I knew a Pledge of unamed Fraternity at the first college taht I attended who was proud that he got his ass beat more times than his pledge brothers. That made this little midget wrestler feel like a bigger man! DA!

We almost beat the s**t of of each other over this deal. Wonder where the Moron is now?

[mizz_kelli]

Hi im Kelli from New Canaan, Connecticut and i wanted to know more about Hazing could someone tell me if they will..

[AGDee]

Hazing is any activity which hurts someone physically or emotionally, or makes them uncomfortable, or embarassed. It includes (but is not limited to) physical abuse, physical harassment, required calisthenics or physical activities, errands or other subservient functions to chapter members, preventing or restricting sleep or class attendance, restricting personal hygiene, branding, marking, tattooing, forced consumption of food, liquor, drug or other substance (including water), any duty not shared by initiated members (cleaning the house, etc), verbal harassment, yelling or line ups, lewd or anti-social stunts, exposure to the weather, pointless clothing requirements, blindfolding, scavenger hunts, transporting or stranding members, requiring signatures or singing, and scare tactics about Initiation.

Hazing destroys trust and is demoralizing and demeaning. It is illegal in 41 states and forbidden by ALL fraternities and sororities. Hazing can destroy self confidence. Rather than foster unity, it creates cliques.

It's wrong.

Dee

[mizz_kelli]

wowzas. thank you so much for you outstanding point of view and i myself will totally agree with u that its humiliating for a human being to go through all that unnessary toture to be in a sorority or fraternity. I believe that ur point of view will help me out alot in my essay for my class. Thanks a bunch.
Don't worry you will not be quoted if you don't want me to.
~*~Mizz Kelli~*~

[AGDee]

It shouldn't be experienced in athletics, band, or other clubs either. It is increasingly occurring at the high school level which is just downright scary.

Dee

[mizz_kelli]

OMG and i was also reading on this one website that it even was occurring in Middle School also. Thats even more scarier then ever. It makes me wonder if its taught or if it just happens with demented students getting a thrill out of hurting others.

[cashmoney]

One thing I noticed right off the bat was how easy it gets every year for people to join a GLO. I think its an insult to those of us who came a number of years ago and went through a bunch of schit and now none of these kids these days have to do anything other than a stupid scav hunt. I joined an org 6 years ago, a year later we were banned from campus and went underground. Lost our charter and almost lost our house, lucky for us we trashed it so bad no one wanted to put the money out to pay to have it fixed up on top of buying the actual house. By the fall of 2001 we were allowed to have our first rush, those guys didnt have to go through schit. They didnt even have a hell week. Personally, I just dont see how you can have the same bond with someone else who didnt go through that same stuff as you did. The way I look at it, if you can make it through some of the stuff done to you with a brother...you guys can make through anything together. I guess being hazed isnt really about are you willing to go thorugh some b.s. in order to be in an org. For me it was more about testing to see what I was willing to endure to be able to have friends that would ride till we die. Seldom in life do people meet or have friends that will be there till the end no matter what. 6 years after our class I still reguarly talk to at least 3/4 of my pledge class (about 50 guys). And believe me, if it wasnt for them as well as other friends....I'd either be dead or in jail. As for the guys who werent in my pledge class and didnt go through the stuff we went through....I probably still talk to 2 of them, out of 120.

[DeltAlum]

Hey Cash,

Do we have to go thru this again. I pledged 35 plus years ago. Times have had to change. Hazing got out of hand. Laws were passed.

The old days have to be gone, or every chapter will meet the same fate yours originally did.

[AGDee]

You just pointed out that it doesn't build chapter unity, only pledge class unity (i.e. cliques).

I don't know what your GLOs creed or purpose is, but our Purpose doesn't leave room for hazing. When we give a woman a bid, she has earned her way into our sisterhood, just by being herself.

Dee

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by AGDee
You just pointed out that it doesn't build chapter unity, only pledge class unity (i.e. cliques).

I don't know what your GLOs creed or purpose is, but our Purpose doesn't leave room for hazing. When we give a woman a bid, she has earned her way into our sisterhood, just by being herself.

Dee

Ohhh don't even try to give me "We love her just being herself" crap. That greek loving bullschit doesn't happen in the real world. Sorority girls are by far the worst back stabbing whores out there. I wont even begin to tell you about all the b.s. drama that went on behind the scenes within sororities at UF, my girlfriends used to tell me everything and how there were sisters in their house that people hated.

[AGDee]

It happened in my world and I continue to see chapters with strong sisterhood who do not haze. That isn't to say that there are never disagreements or that everybody were best friends, but I've never seen sisters who always got along 100% of the time. I do know that I can walk into any group of Alpha Gams, whether I know them or not, and I am immediately welcomed warmly because we share a ritual that binds us and a Purpose that we strive for.

Dee

[TSteven]

Originally posted by cashmoney

I also have a friend who went to West Point, the military school. The stuff done to him was literally out of this world. I couldnt imagine going through the crapp he did, and he's 2 yrs older than me. After finishing school at West Point, he came to my college and joined my chapter GLO. He too thought fraternity hazing is weak and should be how it once was.

Sorry if this has already been stated but with all due respect, it sounds like your friend from West Point was discharged from the Army. Cadets that attend West Point have to serve at least four years in the army before being able to be discharged. When you graduate, you do so with a commission. Most cadets then decide to serve longer than the four years. "It's not just a job, it's a career." If your friend came directly to your school from West Point, "after finishing school" then most likely he was either dismissed from West Point and or discharged from the service. And unless it was for medical reasons, it very well may have been a dishonorable discharge.

The reason I bring this up is that your friend may not be the best resource with respect to the West Point Academy and their "hazing".

By the way. Training for the service is very different than hazing. Yes hazing did - and perhaps still does - go on within the service academies. But that doesn't make it right. My nephew is a 2nd year at the Air Force Academy and he has some "stories" to tell. But the best one is that after there was a crack down on hazing, the camaraderie, the working as a unit, all the things that the brass were afraid would fall by the way side did not. Actually it got better.

[Rudey]

The KKK is not a GLO.

-Rudey
--It's an insult to those of us that actually are in one.

Originally posted by cashmoney
One thing I noticed right off the bat was how easy it gets every year for people to join a GLO. I think its an insult to those of us who came a number of years ago and went through a bunch of schit and now none of these kids these days have to do anything other than a stupid scav hunt. I joined an org 6 years ago, a year later we were banned from campus and went underground. Lost our charter and almost lost our house, lucky for us we trashed it so bad no one wanted to put the money out to pay to have it fixed up on top of buying the actual house. By the fall of 2001 we were allowed to have our first rush, those guys didnt have to go through schit. They didnt even have a hell week. Personally, I just dont see how you can have the same bond with someone else who didnt go through that same stuff as you did. The way I look at it, if you can make it through some of the stuff done to you with a brother...you guys can make through anything together. I guess being hazed isnt really about are you willing to go thorugh some b.s. in order to be in an org. For me it was more about testing to see what I was willing to endure to be able to have friends that would ride till we die. Seldom in life do people meet or have friends that will be there till the end no matter what. 6 years after our class I still reguarly talk to at least 3/4 of my pledge class (about 50 guys). And believe me, if it wasnt for them as well as other friends....I'd either be dead or in jail. As for the guys who werent in my pledge class and didnt go through the stuff we went through....I probably still talk to 2 of them, out of 120.

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by Rudey
The KKK is not a GLO.

-Rudey
--It's an insult to those of us that actually are in one.

Look, go get a life for a change and actually try not to be annoying . You have nolife, you spend 8+ hours a day working with a computer and still spend the rest of your evening on greek chat. You're a nerd, Rudey.


- served

[starang21]

hahahah, who knew that people on GC knew how to talk sh*t? not good sh*t, but talk shit nonetheless.

hahahaha, damn....cats is sure sensitive on this site.