Alleged Rape of NCCU Student: (Duke Scandal)

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rain Man
So that I'm not mis-understood or come off as insensitive in case it is proven that this woman was indeed raped, my whole point of contention in this matter is this:

If this woman was indeed raped, be it by the lacrosse players or otherwise, I want the parties that were directly responsible to be punished. In this case, I am [u]not sure[u] if the party being accused (the lacrosse team) was directly responsible; and that they just happened to be in her presence at the wrong time.

The million dollar question is: Was the lacrosse players responsible or "just a victim of circumstance"?

Yes, if they have informatin and are not cooperating. Yes, if they witnessed this young lady being raped by one of their guests and they just looked the other way.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by mccoyred
Okay, lets back up for a second. Did any of the articles or released information say that "there was NO DNA present on the victim" OR "the DNA that was present did not match any of the DNA from the Lacrosse Players"? There is a BIG difference!

I submit that one of the folllowing scenarios happened:

1) The woman was raped before or after she came to the house
2) The woman was raped at the house by someone other than the lacrosse players (ie guests were at the house who were not tested)
3) The woman was raped by the Lacrosse players and there was tampering with the DNA collection or processing (ie submission of DNA not from the team, lab misconduct or misreading of the results)

The fact is that based on ALL the evidence thus far, the woman WAS RAPED. Hence the reason for the DA to continue with the case regardless of the outcome.

The article I read said there was no DNA found on her body, which is why they concluded she had not even had sex recently. But that contradicts the results of the rape kit. That is why I said I wish the DNA testing had been done elsewhere.

[DoggyStyle82]

Originally posted by ladygreek
The article I read said there was no DNA found on her body, which is why they concluded she had not even had sex recently. But that contradicts the results of the rape kit. That is why I said I wish the DNA testing had been done elsewhere.

Could it be my fair lady, that she was not raped but rather had sex with multiple people that evening. I'm sure that in her line of work, she has participated in a few "trains" before and I know all of that "activity" has to leave some trauma akin to being raped. She may have left one set and went to the next job.

Secondly, those players, while leasing a Duke owned property, were not bound to dormitory rules and were acting as private citizens. If they chose to have that kind of party, off campus, and not as reprentatives of the school, the only sanctions should be handed down by the coach or athletic director, not the university president. Political correctness run amok causes us all to behave irrationally, which is to loose the presumption of innoncence in the rush to prove our "sensitivity" to an "aggreived" class of people.

Yes, call girls, hookers, and strippers can be raped, but it should be common sense to weigh their credibilty. Her story needs to be airtight and impeccable. Why, because the very nature of the job requires a different degree of character and judgement.

McCoyRed

I doubt if 46 men would stand solidly while their lives were being ruined by 3 outsiders. Somebody is dropping a dime, anonymously or otherwise. Someone is gonna crack. Could you imagine having this over your head for the rest of your life just to protect a rapist?


Again, punishment should be reserved for proven wrongs, not alleged indiscretions.

LG, sorry to be my old contrarian self.

[James]

The evidence thus far, including the rape kit, shows that her vagina was consistent with her having had sex within a few days of the rape kit being used.

Whether the sex was voluntary or not can't be told by the vagina . . in my experience the vagina doesn't speak.

The conlusion that she was raped was made by the totality of the evidence. Her vagina showed the effects of sex. She said she was raped. She had marks on her body she said were from the rape, and she was agitated in a way consistent with someone in emotional turmoil.

If she was beaten by the men at the party, and forced into sex by the men at the party . . . then she was raped.

If she had sex before the party, was bruised before the party, and was not forced into having sex with any of the people there . . . then she was no t raped .. but the physical evidence would be the same.

Originally posted by mccoyred


The fact is that based on ALL the evidence thus far, the woman WAS RAPED. Hence the reason for the DA to continue with the case regardless of the outcome.

[James]

The players said the girl was intoxicated when she arrived at the party . . . here is a new story saying that the police found her drunk and passed out on the night in question:

http://www.wnct.com/servlet/Satellit...=1137835376219

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...e/3793222.html

[mccoyred]

Interesting.

Has the woman been tested for rhohypnol (date rape drug)? Don't the symptoms appear very similar to intoxication? The police officer described this condition AFTER the party, right?

Just more questions with no answers.

Originally posted by James
The players said the girl was intoxicated when she arrived at the party . . . here is a new story saying that the police found her drunk and passed out on the night in question:

http://www.wnct.com/servlet/Satellit...=1137835376219

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...e/3793222.html

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by mccoyred
Interesting.

Has the woman been tested for rhohypnol (date rape drug)? Don't the symptoms appear very similar to intoxication? The police officer described this condition AFTER the party, right?

Just more questions with no answers.

If I remember my domestic violence advocacy training correctly (we had to tour the Sexual Victims Unit of the ER, and speak to a ton of counselors, and go through a rape kit), Rohyphnol is out of your system 12 hours after you ingest it. At this hospital, which was a pretty big urban one, you'd have to request Rohyphnol testing.

It's an upsetting situation all around.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by DoggyStyle82

LG, sorry to be my old contrarian self.

That's quite alright.

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by ladygreek
I think we all just need to sit back and see what unfolds. I, too, at this point am not going to make a judgement either way. But one thing does bother me--the DNA testing was all done in Durham. It would have been better, imo, if it had been done elsewhere.

I agree

[CrimsonTide4]

Jesse Jackson's Group to Pay Tuition of Alleged Victim

Just sharing the article, not casting my views.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Jesse Jackson's Group to Pay Tuition of Alleged Victim

Just sharing the article, not casting my views.

I saw that article in the FREE Clt Observer that was send to my parent's house

[Honeykiss1974]

In the article below, it states that the young lady identifies 3 of her alleged attackers. However, this article is primarily about how she was behaving after the party.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCente...1849938&page=1

Interesting......

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
In the article below, it states that the young lady identifies 3 of her alleged attackers. However, this article is primarily about how she was behaving after the party.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCente...1849938&page=1

Interesting......

So, exactly how SHOULD one act if one is raped???

This story makes me

[kddani]

So a grocery store rent-a-cop is an expert on how women should and should not react or appear after a rape?

[Honeykiss1974]

It's interesting because (and maybe its just me) but I'm having a hard time following the events of that night. Could be because of how things are being reported (in blips and blurbs), but goodness...