Is a "Pimps and Ho's Party" disrepectful???

[Tom Earp]

Today is so PC and is a no no!

[Boodleboy322]

Originally Posted by phikappapsiman

I have to ask this...

I know that some fraternities have a "Pimps and Ho's" party. Have we gotten so P.C. on campus that things like the KA's "Old South" party and the ever popular "Screw your Roommate" party are wrong? What do you think?

Here's the issue. Politics and society's interpretations have become so granular that people are too paranoid to have fun. If the intention of the party is to have fun then it should be held as long as it's kept in a controlled atmosphere external from the eye of criticism. The Fraternity or Sorority, both organizations comprised of selective membership, charged with the task of planning the event should make sure that all members attending are ok with the event. If your school is being constantly monitored by the media or critics you may even want to have people sign disclaimers ahead of time and keep a guest list at the door so that you can filter out any potential issues. On a more extreme case take the underground sex society featured on the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" for example. The guidelines were intended to be monitored carefully and controlled. Each member that attended the event, during the ritual scene, at the mansion knew the circumstances, risks, events, and knowingly engaged the event in a controlled environment. Having sex isn't against the law nor is it "Proper" according secular organizations and other belief systems. But the point is that all who participated knew what they were doing and willingly attended an event. As long as the Pimps and Hos party is carefully managed who cares what outside influences think. If you aren’t disrespecting anyone and a collective group of participants are cool with it then roll with it. You can bypass any red tape as long as there’s good strategy and implementation.

Regards,

Boodleboy322

[sirfratalot]

Originally Posted by phikappapsiman

I have to ask this...

I know that some fraternities have a "Pimps and Ho's" party. Some brothers want to bring it up to my chapter to have one, but I think that is it disrespectful, and kinda racist. Am I overreacting??? I mean, it's just for fun, but it just seems as if that is playing on bad sterotypes. What do others think??? Have we gotten so P.C. on campus that things like the KA's "Old South" party and the ever popular "Screw your Roommate" party are wrong? What do you think?

the fact that you think "pimps and hoes" caters to any race being singled out really exposes who is racist.

[deegeebaybee]

Originally Posted by phikappapsiman

I have to ask this...

I know that some fraternities have a "Pimps and Ho's" party. Some brothers want to bring it up to my chapter to have one, but I think that is it disrespectful, and kinda racist. Am I overreacting??? I mean, it's just for fun, but it just seems as if that is playing on bad sterotypes. What do others think??? Have we gotten so P.C. on campus that things like the KA's "Old South" party and the ever popular "Screw your Roommate" party are wrong? What do you think?

Well, i went to a non-greek pimps and hoes party and it was really boring- mostly due to it's uncreative atmosphere. but a lot of people have been giving a lot of shocked responses. Parties are all in good fun, and yes, where they may seem rather disrespectful, it's just another reason to get dressed up and add another element to a party. Yet, any way you look at it, any theme could be considered disrespectful. My sorority just had a Shipwrecked party, where we all dressed up as Pirates or sailors (fitting for Delta Gamma) or characters from Lost or Gilligan's Island, etc etc etc. People could somehow find this disrespectful because we're portraying bloodthirsty theives. But it's a costume party. Yes, there's other ways to go around the "bad" connotation such as maybe a "Saint's and Sinner's" party (so those who DON'T want to be pimps and/or hoes don't HAVE to be) or something along that line. My best suggestion is give your party a vauge theme so guests can have more options in dressing up. That way, thier creativity makes the party much more fun. Another good idea, though not as vauge, would be a "Millionaire's and Trophy Wives" party. Not as trashy, but just as fun to dress up for. hope my 2 cents helped y'all

[PeppyGPhiB]

I'm tired of party themes that require guys to dress up as something good/prestigious/powerful/upper-hand while the gals dress up as sluts/little girls/subordinates. Sorry, but Millionairs & Trophy Wives? I'd die before I would ever want to be a trophy wife, so why would I want to dress up as one? Do sorority girls really know what trophy wives are? It's a really insulting term.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

I'm tired of party themes that require guys to dress up as something good/prestigious/powerful/upper-hand while the gals dress up as sluts/little girls/subordinates. Sorry, but Millionairs & Trophy Wives? I'd die before I would ever want to be a trophy wife, so why would I want to dress up as one? Do sorority girls really know what trophy wives are? It's a really insulting term.

Oh come on, I think you are being a little ridiculous. Its a theme party...you aren't supposed to take it seriously.

[UGAalum94]

And isn't dressing up about being able to be someone who you really aren't?

I wouldn't do "pimps and hos" in this day and age because someone's going to do something racist.

[zeppo192]

personally, i think this topic is ridiculous.
i'm in a local sorority, so i don't know much about how national chapters & crap like that works, but seriously. it's a party theme. if you don't like it, don't do it. personally, P&H mixers are always fun at my school. Greek life is small here, and isn't spalshed on the front pages of the school newspaper. we don't open our mixers up to random people, and nobody honestly takes the themes seriously. theyre for fun. no need to get all political about it.

[shinerbock]

You're also underestimating how many girls want to be trophy wives. Hell, there is a facebook group of sorority girls called "Why can't I just major in being a housewife?"

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You're also underestimating how many girls want to be trophy wives. Hell, there is a facebook group of sorority girls called "Why can't I just major in being a housewife?"

There's a difference between common housewives and trophy wives. Trophy wives are meant to be seen and not heard...they sit there and look pretty, and nothing else. Hence the word "trophy." Housewives usually have responsibilities around the home...cooking, cleaning, etc, or if they're rich maybe charity work....but just don't work in the traditional sense.

I'm not being overly political. Girls in college probably don't take the P/H party theme seriously, and I'm not suggesting they should. My issue was with the "trophy wives and millionaires" party because it specified that the men be the millionaires while the women just be arm candy. At least with P/H there's some flexibility to decide which you want to be I prefer party themes that are a little more creative, I guess. Isn't P/H "SO five years ago" anyway?

[James]

Housewives of rich men don't do much housework.

Walk around Manhattan during the day and look around

Edited to add: And lots of trophy wives do charity work, its part of their social scene.

Go to the party dressed in a powersuit and ask which man will be your trophy husband . . there has to be a Kevin Federline in the group.

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

There's a difference between common housewives and trophy wives. Trophy wives are meant to be seen and not heard...they sit there and look pretty, and nothing else. Hence the word "trophy." Housewives usually have responsibilities around the home...cooking, cleaning, etc, or if they're rich maybe charity work....but just don't work in the traditional sense.

I'm not being overly political. Girls in college probably don't take the P/H party theme seriously, and I'm not suggesting they should. My issue was with the "trophy wives and millionaires" party because it specified that the men be the millionaires while the women just be arm candy. At least with P/H there's some flexibility to decide which you want to be I prefer party themes that are a little more creative, I guess. Isn't P/H "SO five years ago" anyway?

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by James

Housewives of rich men don't do much housework.

Walk around Manhattan during the day and look around

Edited to add: And lots of trophy wives do charity work, its part of their social scene.

Go to the party dressed in a powersuit and ask which man will be your trophy husband . . there has to be a Kevin Federline in the group.

That's why I said that bit about "or if they're rich maybe charity work." I actually would not consider a rich woman dedicated to charity work a trophy wife. But anyway, my point is that many girls want to be spoiled by a rich husband, but don't necessarily want to be used just for their looks and have to rely on their looks to support them...so in that case they're using the term incorrectly and I'm just tired of hearing so many young college-educated women say that's what they want to be.

[CutiePie2000]

It's pretty easy to be "dedicated" to charity work, when your finances are taken care of and you don't have a job to go to.
I'd probably do charity work too, if only to keep from going stir-crazy from boredom.

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by sirfratalot

the fact that you think "pimps and hoes" caters to any race being singled out really exposes who is racist.

The fact is that today people are so ridiculously sensitive and PC that they will, in fact, claim it's racist and demeaning. Looking out to avoid bad PR is important to anyone, but especially Greeks, since we aren't given the benefit of the doubt.

Personally I think people are TOO PC these days and I wouldn't find that party offensive. It's obviously meant in fun. If you think your chapter is going to be watched by media or such, then maybe pick something different. But I don't care what you pick, someone can find a problem with it...if it's meant in fun, then it's fun, not offensive and it's a shame some people did it that way.

Also about the trophy wife thing...it doesn't annoy me for a girl want to be a trophy wife. It's just a way to be wealthy and have a cushy lifestyle, and if they're willing to give up some of their personal freedoms and personality, what do I care? It's their choice. It isn't for me, but hey. Being a housewife is a whole different story...I wouldn't find a facebook group about wanting to be a housewife as offensive as someone finding that group itself offensive, implying that being a housewife is an unworthy occupation. I know my mom for one, between having day jobs, worked just as hard and as many hours as my dad. It's a job, and someone has to do it in a marriage or partnership. Traditional domestic roles work for some families, and that's fine...I joke about an "MRS" degree, even though truth be told there's no way I'd get married without earning my degree, but I wouldn't mind being a housewife one day when I've had kids and a husband with a job. I just think in today's world, with a 50% divorce rate, women who are depending on a husband should make sure they have a college degree just in case.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

Being a housewife is a whole different story...I wouldn't find a facebook group about wanting to be a housewife as offensive as someone finding that group itself offensive, implying that being a housewife is an unworthy occupation. I know my mom for one, between having day jobs, worked just as hard and as many hours as my dad. It's a job, and someone has to do it in a marriage or partnership. Traditional domestic roles work for some families, and that's fine...I joke about an "MRS" degree, even though truth be told there's no way I'd get married without earning my degree, but I wouldn't mind being a housewife one day when I've had kids and a husband with a job. I just think in today's world, with a 50% divorce rate, women who are depending on a husband should make sure they have a college degree just in case.

Agree completely. That's what I was trying to say...most housewives are not trophy wives...they work hard for their household, and there's certainly nothing wrong with that. I don't like for them to get the "trophy wife" label since I think it diminishes their responsibilities.