Federal judge says partial-birth abortion ban unconstitutional

[Rudey]

Did you not read your post? The first paragraph doesn't agree with the second.

-Rudey

Originally posted by ASUADPi
Rudey did you not read my post.

Here's a refresher:


I myself am pro-choice. I don't think anyone has a right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body. With that said, I know myself I could never personally have an abortion but if some other woman wants to that is her right.

If I remember correctly (and those out there feel free to correct me if I am wrong, which I might be) but isn't partial-birth similiar to late term abortion? If so, I don't agree with late term abortions unless the mothers life is at risk. My feeling is that if you can't figure out that you are pregnant after 12 weeks than you are shit out of luck. Unfortunately, I live in a state where abortion is a contraversy because of so few providers and because stat's have shown women using abortion as a means of birth control. I don't agree with that.

So Rudey, with that said I am one of those Pro-Choices who doesn't support partial birth abortions b/c in the end I believe they are considered late term abortions. I personally am happy with the law the way it stands, as long as our government doesn't try to bud in and take away a woman's right to chose in general.

[ASUADPi]

So let me get this straight Rudey, according to you, if one is Pro-choice they must agree with abortion in every sense of the term.

Hate to break it to ya, not everyone is going to have a straight pro-choice, pro-life sentiment. A lot of people are going to have varying views when it comes to abortion.

I believe a woman has a right to choose, but I don't agree with late term abortions. They are two completely different statements. Just because I don't believe abortions after the fifth month should be allowed doesn't mean that the woman shouldn't have the right to chose that option if she must.

[valkyrie]

Okay, I'll say it -- I'm pro choice in every instance. I don't see why it's a big deal.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by valkyrie
Okay, I'll say it -- I'm pro choice in every instance. I don't see why it's a big deal.

The big deal is that people disagree with you in some (or all) instances. Glad I could clarify

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Rudey
Oh really? How come very few are coming out to say so? I'm tired of this annoying "It's my body, I can do what I want" argument. Even with you, I had to push to get you to say it because it seemed anyone that is pro-abortion is very loathe to give up any ground.

-Rudey

I think because so many on the pro-life side force us to constantly be thinking of this or that reason why a law should still exist. I know that I'm also more conservative than some of the other pro-choicers in this thread. This is a basic summary, using examples, of when I personally do and don't think a man needs to be involved:

a) Rudith and I are in a loving (or at least lusting) relationship. The condom goes KABOW, I forget my pill, something like that. I think that I at least owe it to him to discuss what to do should I get knocked up.

b) Some shady old man rapes me in a dark alley and gets me knocked up. He gets no say and I hope my daddy finds him.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by ASUADPi
So let me get this straight Rudey, according to you, if one is Pro-choice they must agree with abortion in every sense of the term.

Hate to break it to ya, not everyone is going to have a straight pro-choice, pro-life sentiment. A lot of people are going to have varying views when it comes to abortion.

I believe a woman has a right to choose, but I don't agree with late term abortions. They are two completely different statements. Just because I don't believe abortions after the fifth month should be allowed doesn't mean that the woman shouldn't have the right to chose that option if she must.

No no, honey you got nothing straight. You understood what I was trying to say as best you could, and quite simply, your best wasn't good enough.

Now let's start again, basically you're saying something should be something but that you don't think it should be something. OK.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by valkyrie
Okay, I'll say it -- I'm pro choice in every instance. I don't see why it's a big deal.

At least with what you're saying, you're saying it. You then make it a whole opinion vs opinion thing and don't try and muddle things so what you believe is hidden.

And on that belief, I believe it is barbaric and a belief I am happy most voters do not share.

-Rudey

[Munchkin03]

I don't like abortion at all, but believe that they should be safe, legal, and, most importantly, RARE. I hope I'm never in the position where it would even be an option--either as a result of a less-than-ideal conception, or health problems that could not be detected.

So, that's my official view. I tried to post pretty factual sources to back up my concerns.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I think because so many on the pro-life side force us to constantly be thinking of this or that reason why a law should still exist. I know that I'm also more conservative than some of the other pro-choicers in this thread. This is a basic summary, using examples, of when I personally do and don't think a man needs to be involved:

a) Rudith and I are in a loving (or at least lusting) relationship. The condom goes KABOW, I forget my pill, something like that. I think that I at least owe it to him to discuss what to do should I get knocked up.

b) Some shady old man rapes me in a dark alley and gets me knocked up. He gets no say and I hope my daddy finds him.

A) You can tell me without waiting forever. If you can't, you need to take on some responsibility. Honestly I know so many languages and there is a word in colloquial persian that I can't translate into any other language. Irresponsible wouldn't begin to describe that word. Rest assured, Rudey doesn't have the patience or the desire to ever be with someone that weak.

B) If you are raped, again please seek appropriate measures immediately. Of course such actions are traumatic and some hospitals don't provide the pill for their reasons. All measures should be taken to make sure your desires are met and you are helped. These measures should not include you thinking about the option for 6 months. Again, that's plain stupid and irresponsible.

C) If you are to die in this pregnancy up to when the baby is born, I think it should be fully legal to kill using whatever means necessary the baby.

-Rudey

[DZHBrown]

Originally posted by valkyrie
Okay, I'll say it -- I'm pro choice in every instance. I don't see why it's a big deal.

You don't see why what is a big deal? The abortion issue? The partial-birth abortion issue? Stating your opinion straight out?

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Rudey
A) You can tell me without waiting forever. If you can't, you need to take on some responsibility. Honestly I know so many languages and there is a word in colloquial persian that I can't translate into any other language. Irresponsible wouldn't begin to describe that word. Rest assured, Rudey doesn't have the patience or the desire to ever be with someone that weak.

B) If you are raped, again please seek appropriate measures immediately. Of course such actions are traumatic and some hospitals don't provide the pill for their reasons. All measures should be taken to make sure your desires are met and you are helped. These measures should not include you thinking about the option for 6 months. Again, that's plain stupid and irresponsible.

C) If you are to die in this pregnancy up to when the baby is born, I think it should be fully legal to kill using whatever means necessary the baby.

-Rudey

Right, right, I think that I should tell the male right away and seek action right away, which is why, like I said, I think PBA (I am SICK of typing that out) should only be legal in cases of dire need, ie health reasons, really. I think Munchkin and I have a very similiar view on the situation - abortions should be available but they should be an absolute last resort.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by DZHBrown
You don't see why what is a big deal? The abortion issue? The partial-birth abortion issue? Stating your opinion straight out?

I don't see why it's a big deal to say that if that's your opinion. I'm guessing that nobody else here agrees with me, and I'm fine with that.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by DZHBrown
You don't see why what is a big deal? The abortion issue? The partial-birth abortion issue? Stating your opinion straight out?

Nope. You see, that's why this is a topic that can never be debated to conclusion. Two different sides (and maybe a few grey area people) that see things completely differently.

I don't believe I'd be distorting the pro-choice position to say that abortion in their eyes is not taking a life. It's something a woman sometimes needs to do to manage a process that happens within her own body.

Pro-choicers simply believe abortion in any form is murder and the doctors doing it are basically licensed murderers.

And the fun part about all of that is that this thread is way better than the letter association game in terms of inflating our respective post counts!

[ASUADPi]

Sorry to correct you but pro-choicers are for abortion. Pro-lifers would be the ones who think it is murder. Just got it backwords.



No no, honey you got nothing straight. You understood what I was trying to say as best you could, and quite simply, your best wasn't good enough.

Now let's start again, basically you're saying something should be something but that you don't think it should be something. OK.

-Rudey

And Rudey is there a reason you feel it is necessary to attack people because they differ in opinions than you?

I understood perfectly well what you were trying to say. Obviously your the person who doesn't understand. So let's try it again, I am pro-choice but I don't agree with late term abortions. If you were as smart as you are attempting to come across as you would realize that they are two completely different issues.

For example, my father, grandmother and brother are pro-life. They only agree with abortion in the instances that the mother was raped or her life was in danger.

So basically because they believe that way you would be saying to them "basically you're saying something should be something but that you don't think it should be something"

[DZHBrown]

Originally posted by valkyrie
I don't see why it's a big deal to say that if that's your opinion. I'm guessing that nobody else here agrees with me, and I'm fine with that.

Okay, thanks for clarifying. I thought you were saying the abortion issue wasn't a big deal and was kind of surprised!