Why is Rush so Cut-throat on the Sororities' End at Big Greek Schools?

[hazelle]

Bama....wow!! We are one of the first sororities and now we are one of the ones off campus. Damn!! Hate this! Our sisterhood deserves to be regrown in Alabama soil. Why can't the Alabama alums push National to get digging and grow some Pink Kilarney Rosebuds neath the Birmingham sun?? Any 'Bama alums have any insights??

Alpha Xi from Kentucky..sisterhood forever beneath the Golden Quill

[33girl]

Originally Posted by hazelle

Bama....wow!! We are one of the first sororities and now we are one of the ones off campus. Damn!! Hate this! Our sisterhood deserves to be regrown in Alabama soil. Why can't the Alabama alums push National to get digging and grow some Pink Kilarney Rosebuds neath the Birmingham sun?? Any 'Bama alums have any insights??

Alpha Xi from Kentucky..sisterhood forever beneath the Golden Quill

My understanding is that the housing/land situation plays a big part in it, as well as when a chapter leaves Bama, the stigma stays for a LONG time.

It's not a question of your national dragging its feet and the alums needing to push them, it's a question of what will fly at the school. If the HQ is afraid of losing a giant chunk of change by recolonizing there and the recolonization not being superduper successful, it's not gonna happen. They have to look out for the whole sorority.

Any new group that comes to Bama or LSU will have to do more than "OK" - they will have to do something that literally blows everyone else away.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by hazelle

Bama....wow!! We are one of the first sororities and now we are one of the ones off campus. Damn!! Hate this! Our sisterhood deserves to be regrown in Alabama soil. Why can't the Alabama alums push National to get digging and grow some Pink Kilarney Rosebuds neath the Birmingham sun?? Any 'Bama alums have any insights??

Alpha Xi from Kentucky..sisterhood forever beneath the Golden Quill

I think they were referring to the main campus of the University of Alabama, which is not in Birmingham, but Tuscaloosa. Also, there were already 8 sororities at Bama by 1927 when Alpha Xi Delta, Kappa Kappa Gamma, and Delta Phi Epsilon all chartered there. Just pointing out that there were at least 8, maybe 9, before Alpha Xi and only 6 active chapters since, so they really weren't one of the first on campus - more like the middle. Alpha Xi just recolonized at Bama in 1981 and closed in 1988. Although 18 years seems like a long time, southern campuses have very long memories. Additionally, Bama has housing issues. Although it is a very desirable campus to have a chapter, it wouldn't be an easy task for any group. Maybe Alpha Xi retained its house at Bama? If it did, that would certainly make a return more plausible.

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Maybe Alpha Xi retained its house at Bama? If it did, that would certainly make a return more plausible.

Gamma Phi Beta now occupies the old Alpha Xi Delta house, and has for quite a few years now. Don't know if they actually bought it, but I believe they did. 33Girl and irishpipes are right: a new group would have to have the biggest, most wonderful house and the most spectacular girls. It would be a multi-million dollar investment with only a slim chance of success.
A new group could possibly come on and occupy one of the university-owned Greek houses next to new fraternity row - on the opposite side of campus from sorority row - but they could never really compete.

[TriDPrincess]

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[XOMichelle]

Sorority Bid matching works by taking the PNM preference into consideration before the GLO's preference. From the outcome, one can assume that Sorority B's pledge class was filled before your daughter's name was reached, thus she was matched to sorority A.

It's just like the residency match! Lets say, I am applying for an internship, and I put #1 UCSF and #2 UCLA. Lets also say that both programs had 50 spots, and I am ranked #100 at UCSF and #2 at UCLA. If 50 spots are not filled at UCSF by the time my name is reached, I will be placed there. However, if the more than half of the first 100 people on UCSF's list all chose that place as #1, I will be placed at UCLA.

Using non-sorority terms may help to make the discussion less personal?

[als463]

Okay...I have a question. My little brother's girlfriend goes to school in Michigan. She asked me about this-and to be honest....I didn't have the answer. Maybe some of you will.

When she was able to rank Sorority A, Sorority B and Sorority C...she chose to do it like this:

1.) A
2.) B
3.) C

She ended up getting C. So, I get the idea that if Sorority A made quota before she was picked up by them-she would not get them but, my question is regarding Sorority B. If she ranked Sorority B second and Sorority C third, and then she got Sorority C-does that mean no matter what-she was going to be a member of Sorority C? She asked me if she had placed Sorority B in the slot for her #1 choice-whether or not she would have gotten a bid to Sorority B or whether or not they already filled their quota before it reached her on the list-so, she still would have ended up with her 3rd choice?

I don't know what to tell her and she's pretty upset. Because I have faith in all of the NPC orgs. I told her to really give Sorority C a chance because she doesn't know if it will be a perfect fit for her or not unless she sticks it out.

Had she placed it like this:
1.) B
2.) A
3.) C

Would she have ended up as a member of Sorority B? The fact that she ended up as a member of Sorority C...pretty much-I'm asking...Does that mean that no matter who she would have put first (either A or B), she would still have received a bid from Sorority C?

Sorry if this is long-any advice?

[MSKKG]

Maybe yes, maybe no. If quota were 50 and she was ranked #51 or more on Sorority B's list and Sorority B filled quota before reaching her number, then she wouldn't have gotten a bid from Sorority B regardless.

I hope she gives Sorority C a chance. Soon she may wonder why in the world she ranked it 3rd!

[AZ-AlphaXi]

it wouldn't have mattered if she had put B in 1st or 2nd. Since the bid matching
moved all the way to her third choice, she never made it onto the first bid list of
either A or B. Both made quota before they reached her name.

[gee_ess]

Ditto above. She was not higher on A or B's lists than she was on C's thus she gets a C bid. Her rankings would not have made a difference.

[breathesgelatin]

Wait... are we sure?

OK, so let's say that Sorority A filled their quota with their entire first bid list (for the sake of argument). Everyone they put on their first bid list ranked them #1 (unlikely, but just for the example).

Sorority B only filled 3/4 of quota with their first bid list. Let's say quota was 100. They filled 75 places with their matches. They have 25 places left to fill.

OK, so once all the 1-1 matches have been made (you are automatically matched with a chapter if you rank it first and they put you on their first bid list).

The next thing the program tries to do, as I understand it, is match any PNM who ranked a chapter #1 with that chapter, assuming they are high enough on the bid list. Right? So if the PNM that's #101 on sorority B's bid list ranked them first, that's an automatic match. So on and so forth. Now, if the PNM that's #101 on sorority B's bid list ranked them third, that's NOT an automatic match at this point. Right? So they'd move on to see if the PNM who's #102 on the bid list ranked sorority B first. If she did, they'd match her. Only when they've exhausted people's #1 rankings do they start moving to #2 rankings. The PNMs get preference...

I really thought this was the way bid matching worked. Is it not?

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Only when they've exhausted people's #1 rankings do they start moving to #2 rankings. The PNMs get preference...

I really thought this was the way bid matching worked. Is it not?

You are right! The computer program (assuming that it's ICS which is what 99% of schools use) is set up to try and match each PNM with her #1 choice. That's what it goes by. It only moves to #2 choices when the #1 is no longer available.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

You are right! The computer program (assuming that it's ICS which is what 99% of schools use) is set up to try and match each PNM with her #1 choice. That's what it goes by. It only moves to #2 choices when the #1 is no longer available.

OK! That's what I thought. So, in theory, if Sorority B had twenty-five spaces left after filling up from their first bid list, they would move down the list, matching everyone who ranked Sorority B #1... So in theory, if the friend in question had ranked Sorority B #1, there is a slight chance she might have ended up there over Sorority C... but there is no way we will ever know that. It all depends on where exactly Sorority B put her on THEIR list. If every girl from 101-125 on Sorority B's bid list ranked Sorority B #1, and the PNM was #126 on Sorority B's bid list, she STILL wouldn't have gotten Sorority B.

[AZ-AlphaXi]

the way I understand it .. is that a PNMs preference is to be honored until it is clear that it can't be. So sorority A fills to quota with out reaching PNM, it goes to sorority B.
Sorority B is 3/4 to quota but she's still not on their first bid list. It continues to attempt to match her at B until B fills to quota. - as women match to other chapters they come off of B's first bid list and the spot is filled by the person next on their second bid list. Once you make it onto a chapter's first bid list, you stay there until you match elsewhere (because the PNM ranked that chapter higher) or you match to that chapter.

in this case since she was matched to sorority C, assuming that everything was done correctly, she never made it onto the first bid list of either A or B or she would have matched there, it doesn't matter which one was ranked first or second.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Wait... are we sure?

OK, so let's say that Sorority A filled their quota with their entire first bid list (for the sake of argument). Everyone they put on their first bid list ranked them #1 (unlikely, but just for the example).

Sorority B only filled 3/4 of quota with their first bid list. Let's say quota was 100. They filled 75 places with their matches. They have 25 places left to fill.

OK, so once all the 1-1 matches have been made (you are automatically matched with a chapter if you rank it first and they put you on their first bid list).

The next thing the program tries to do, as I understand it, is match any PNM who ranked a chapter #1 with that chapter, assuming they are high enough on the bid list. Right? So if the PNM that's #101 on sorority B's bid list ranked them first, that's an automatic match. So on and so forth. Now, if the PNM that's #101 on sorority B's bid list ranked them third, that's NOT an automatic match at this point. Right? So they'd move on to see if the PNM who's #102 on the bid list ranked sorority B first. If she did, they'd match her. Only when they've exhausted people's #1 rankings do they start moving to #2 rankings. The PNMs get preference...

I really thought this was the way bid matching worked. Is it not?

I find this to be highly unlikely. B was her second choice not third. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the chapters ranking does make a difference. They wouldn't fill an entire class with women lower on the list just because that woman didn't put that sorority first. Computers are able to adjust the list as they go through the variables.