Black/Multiracial women in "White" sororities - Page 10

AXO Alum · #**136** 05-09-2001, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Monique:
Damn.. This topic is really heating up. And for THE RECORD i agree with prettydeltagirl..DisNDat U take yo ass away.. Why should we leave hell we built Amerikkk!!img]http://www.plauder-smilies.de/nono.gif[/img]

Okay - way off topic here, but why is DisNDat a devil? Because he/she spoke his/her opinion and someone disagrees with it? Hell if that's the case, we'd all be trading in halos for horns.

I will say it again - this is America. The same America that my family fought and died to defend. If it were AmeriKKKa, then my grandfather wouldn't have been given Medals of Honor for freeing one of the concentration camps in Hitler's sick world. If it were AmeriKKKa, then you wouldn't have the rights to freedom of speech (including posting on this board - maybe you didn't realize that we don't have too many people posting on here from Iraq or Cuba). And yes it is AmeriCa - as in "C-ya" later if you don't like it here. Don't sit and bitch about how terrible life here is - get the hell out. Why should you leave, you ask? You are the one complaining about it - not us.

If I go to the store and get treated like crap, I take my business elsewhere. I don't sit around and bitch about the employees but still shop there, because there are plenty of other places for me to shop. Same applies to where you live.

But then again, why do I bother? People have to want to make it work -- you can't just say "I have an open mind" knowing that the "closed" sign is superglued to the front door.

SH80 · #**137** 05-09-2001, 02:31 PM

Ok, guys and gals this is kind of getting off topic, continue this on the Chit Chat section. About the minorities joining "white" sororities is whatever rocks their boat!

Eclipse · #**138** 05-10-2001, 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by MIDWESTDIVA:

3. I'm not holding BGLOs solely responsible for paper bag testing. I realize that universities, churches, etc were also involved. But this thread isn't about universities and churches. It's about greek letter organizations. IMO, to say "all the other Black organizations were discriminating too" is an excuse. If everyone else jumped off a bridge, I don't think your orgs. founders would have followed suit.

Midwestdiva,
Can you tell me a little bit about your research that says BGLOs as an entity discriminated on the basis of skin color or did the paper bag test back in the day? I am really looking for a little more than antidotal evidence, if you can. The reason I ask is because I am a graduate of Spelman College and as a HS student when I would tell (some) people that I wanted to go to Spelman they would say I wasn't light enough or that I didn't have long hair and that Spelman was founded for the illegitmate daughters of wealthy white men

When I got to Spelman I found out that that couldn't be farther from the truth. According to pictures in the campus archives, the first class at Spelman had several women with very pronounced African features and hair and some other women on the more medium brown scale. As a whole, the group did not fit that mold.

Don't get me wrong, I know that there were (still are for that matter!) organizations/entities that used this test, if only by visual inspection. I remember going to Savannah on a Girl Scout trip and visiting a church that had a piece of wood nailed to a pedestal in the vestibule. According to the tour guide, if you were darker than the piece of wood, then you could not come in!!

BTW...I agree with you that it is unreasonable to always hold institutions responsible for something that was national policy until about 50 years ago. If we did this consistently there are a whole lotta places that we (as Black folks) would not be living, working or shopping!! And I bet you, that very few people would be willing to give up their jobs, nice suburban homes and weekly visits to the mall on "they useta not let us in here!"

Monique · #**139** 05-10-2001, 12:41 AM

Damn.. This topic is really heating up. And for THE RECORD i agree with prettydeltagirl..DisNDat U take yo

ass away.. Why should we leave hell we built Amerikkk!!img]http://www.plauder-smilies.de/nono.gif[/img]

Monique · #**140** 05-10-2001, 12:42 AM

Damn.. This topic is really heating up. And for THE RECORD i agree with prettydeltagirl..DisNDat U take yo

ass away.. Why should we leave hell we built Amerikkk!!img]http://www.plauder-smilies.de/nono.gif[/img]

KnowledgeEternal · #**141** 05-10-2001, 01:52 AM

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Originally posted by lovelyivy84:
We don't really have to explain the existence of our orgs to you. You seem to be asking for some sort of justification for BGLO's and you won't find it here. I have no need to explain my sisterhood to you, but I find the very fact that you would ASK someone to do so to be outrageously offensive.

Maybe its just me, but you are definately seeing some ish that I am not. WHen did she say anything about justification? She said something about a flier talking about minorities in HWGLO's but not one mention of BGLOs, except to mention the ones she has come in contact with.

Please show me what is upsetting you so much because I am not seeing it.

-ONE-

justmyo · #**142** 05-10-2001, 05:05 AM

IN MY CIRCLES THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE REFERRED TO AS "IMAGINATIONS OF LIFE" I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE MOVIE. THEY WERE USUALLY LOOKED DOWN UPON BY US,THERE WERE A FEW WHO CONSIDERED PASSING UNTIL THEY WERE NOT ACCEPTED THEN THEY TURNED TO THE BLACK SORORITIES.I DON'T RECALL ANY MEN WHO PLEDGED WHITE FRATERNITIES.
I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT TO EACH HIS OWN.

justmyo · #**143** 05-10-2001, 05:05 AM

IN MY CIRCLES THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE REFERRED TO AS "IMAGINATIONS OF LIFE" I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE MOVIE. THEY WERE USUALLY LOOKED DOWN UPON BY US,THERE WERE A FEW WHO CONSIDERED PASSING UNTIL THEY WERE NOT ACCEPTED THEN THEY TURNED TO THE BLACK SORORITIES.I DON'T RECALL ANY MEN WHO PLEDGED WHITE FRATERNITIES.
I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT TO EACH HIS OWN.

justmyo · #**144** 05-10-2001, 05:05 AM

IN MY CIRCLES THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE REFERRED TO AS "IMAGINATIONS OF LIFE" I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE MOVIE. THEY WERE USUALLY LOOKED DOWN UPON BY US,THERE WERE A FEW WHO CONSIDERED PASSING UNTIL THEY WERE NOT ACCEPTED THEN THEY TURNED TO THE BLACK SORORITIES.I DON'T RECALL ANY MEN WHO PLEDGED WHITE FRATERNITIES.
I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT TO EACH HIS OWN.

AKA2D '91 · #**145** 05-10-2001, 07:09 AM

Hey! It's Imitation of Life. LOL

AlphaChiGirl · #**146** 05-10-2001, 11:10 AM

HA! Imaginations of Life...it's a good movie, though.

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equeen · #**147** 05-10-2001, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by equeen:
Having said THAT:

Am I a racial minority in my sorority?
Definitely.

Does that keep me from being true to my heritage?
I hope not, what kind of person would I be, if that were so??

Do my Sisters love and respect me as a Sister, for everything that I am, including my heritage?
Absolutely. I first show pride and respect for myself, in all that I am. Without self-respect and self-love, especially for my cultural identity, how can I ask anyone else to accept, love and respect me in that regard?

It's been said before on greekchat, in a slightly different way, but it's just as cogent here:

Who you are makes the organization. The organization does not make you the person you are, it only provides the opportunity for you to make yourself better.

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AKA_Monet · #**148** 05-13-2001, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by AXO Alum:
The same America that my family fought and died to defend. If it were AmeriKKKa, then my grandfather wouldn't have been given Medals of Honor for freeing one of the concentration camps in Hitler's sick world. If it were AmeriKKKa, then you wouldn't have the rights to freedom of speech (including posting on this board - maybe you didn't realize that we don't have too many people posting on here from Iraq or Cuba). And yes it is AmeriCa - as in "C-ya" later if you don't like it here. Don't sit and bitch about how terrible life here is - get the hell out. Why should you leave, you ask? You are the one complaining about it - not us.

If I go to the store and get treated like crap, I take my business elsewhere. I don't sit around and bitch about the employees but still shop there, because there are plenty of other places for me to shop. Same applies to where you live.

But then again, why do I bother? People have to want to make it work -- you can't just say "I have an open mind" knowing that the "closed" sign is superglued to the front door.

There is much you have to learn. My family too, fought and died for this wilderness of the west in the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korean Conflict, Vietnam and Desert Storm, but that didn't stop the Klan from lynching them... Or much more psychologically damaging--racial profiling, shooting and killing them...

FlorDeMayo · #**149** 05-13-2001, 05:04 PM

Hey Ya,

I am a ZTA and in Zeta we have girls of all different ethnic backgrounds. I think this is what makes us special. I love my sisters and I think each one of us brings something unique to our chapter. There is also a chapter of Delta Chi on our campus that has brothers of different ethnic backgrounds. I believe between our chapter and the chapter of Delta Chi on our campus that we have people from 6 different countries. We have White, Black, Asian and German, etc...I am sorry if people are still trying to make everything racial. Live Life to the fullest treat people good and Love Thy Neighbor. I am so thankful for my Awesome Sisters and for my Wonderful Friends in Delta Chi. I would not trade their friendship for anything.
FlorDeMayo

FlorDeMayo · #**150** 05-13-2001, 05:32 PM

Hey Now Yall

I think that this is awful. We teach our children to love each othe, yet we are the one nagging racial problems. Try doing something positive instead of placing blame. I know of so many paople that said they did not get into a soroity or fraternity because of race, and then I looked at the person and learned about what type of person and I would not have wanted these people in my chapter, but not because of race just because of themselves. I have a white friend that wanted to be in AKA and they told her that she could not get in because she was white, you know she did not get angry she forgave them and went on with her life. I also have friend of different races that have had the same problem. The Lord also has the Answers. I wish everyone could be blind for a week, do you think we would still have the same problems?