Abortion and the stance you take?

[ZTAngel]

Originally posted by curiouss
people who don't want babies should not have sex

Easier said than done.....

Curiouss, I don't know you nor do I know if you have ever been in a serious relationship where you are head-over-heels in love with the man you are with. But, to anyone who has never been in a relationship that is like that:
When you are that in love with someone, it is sooooo difficult to say no to sex. I use to want to wait until marriage to have sex. But, that was before I had a serious relationship. When I became involved in a serious relationship, I finally realized what my friends were talking about. It is hard not to give into temptation. Wanting sex is both biological and emotional. It is part of human nature and it is a beautiful and wonderful thing. It is an expression of love between two people. It should not be shunned because it may possibly produce a child.
My roommate/sorority sister use to go around at her church preaching to others about why they should wait until marriage to have sex (when she was in high school). Last October (2000), she met the man of her dreams who happened to be our next door neighboor. Two months later, she gave into temptation. Over a year later, she is still involved in a healthy sexual relationship with her boyfriend.
Most women who do not want to have children use precautions. They use condoms, the Pill, or other methods of birth control. Thankfully, many girls don't see abortion as a birth control method. But, pregnancy can happen to even the most cautious of all people. Pregnancy should not be a punishment for being involved in a beautiful thing such as sex.
Like I said before, I am pro-choice. If I were to get pregnant, I am not sure what I would do. But, I would love to have that option open.
PS- To any woman out there that uses abortion as a method of birth control....shame on you! Not only is it immoral but sometimes an abortion can leave you sterile. If you ever want a kid one day, an abortion can ruin that chance so be careful.

I think it is entirely different. When someone is on a respirator, nobody else's body is being sacrificed against her will. - Valkyrie

I respect your opinion, however how is your body being sacrificed against your own will when you have a baby. You put yourself in that position to have a baby. Baby didnt ask to be here. Thats just my 2 cents.

[deltaphi94]

Abortion is, in my opinion, a very personal and horrifying decision one may have to make. A few years ago, I was completely pro-life. I am totally against the idea of abortion being substituted for contraception. If you don't think you can control your urges, use something. A screaming baby at all hours of the night is not fun.
I know there are cases where the woman, man, or couple just doesn't see any other way besides abortion, and I can see that side. But, the baby didn't ask to be conceived, and there are so many consequences to abortion. Not only is there some health risk (minimal as it may seem), but just think of the emotional side.
Can you imagine the nightmares? Not to mention that the experience wouldn't just fade away. There would be thoughts of what might have been. Talk about your "if only's..." and "what if's..."
All things considered, I would have to say I am pro-choice. I just don't know how many people actually take into consideration all the things that are really at stake.

[AlphaGamDiva]

ok, been gone for a while...so back to this fact/opinion thing for a red hot second...

i apologize if my opinions are coming off as fact to the pro-choice supporters on here. if they come off as such, though, it's probably b/c i believe them to be fact. and if i believe something to be true, then i am going to voice that to those who see otherwise (just like they do), not to be out to change their mind necessarily, but to maybe have them think about things differently...just to see the other side. but the statistics that you all are asking for...you want how many kids put up for adoption are actually taken home and what else...i do want to try and provide some honest data of what you are asking. i just thought i was on here to voice my opinion, not write a research paper.

and i know in AL few years back when a mother and her unborn baby were killed, the person was brought up for both deaths. i don't think either circumstance is across the board for all states, though...

[Parsifal]

Originally posted by AlphaGamDiva

In AL few years back when a mother and her unborn baby were killed, the person was brought up for both deaths. i don't think either circumstance is across the board for all states, though...

FYI, in states where a person is charged for both deaths, the life of the unborn child must be sustainable outside the body of the mother.

[The1calledTKE]

I am all for the woman choosing. If it was my kid I don't know what i would do.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Except in the case of rape or fetal defects, lesbians should not be allowed to have abortions.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Except in the case of rape or fetal defects, lesbians should not be allowed to have abortions.

WTF?

[honeychile]

Originally posted by Parsifal
FYI, in states where a person is charged for both deaths, the life of the unborn child must be sustainable outside the body of the mother.

The last I heard (and I could be wrong - kddani?), in PA, the knowledge that the woman is pregnant (either by sight or by personal knowledge) is reason enough to be charged for two deaths.

[MTSUGURL]

I am pro-life in all cases. Yes, even in the cases of rape, incest, or endangering the health/life of the mother. Ibelieve abortion is wrong, plain and simple.
That being said, I despise the people that stand outside of abortion clinics with hateful signs that hurl insults at the women and doctors going into them. I don't agree with the choices that these women make, but knowing how much it breaks my heart for them to think that they see this as their only choice, I can't imagine what they've gone through to make this choice. (I'm not talking about the women that use abortion as a form of birth control - my heart breaks for them as well because of the consequences, both physical and emotional, that they will have to deal with later.)
I know I posted this somewhere else, but I'll post my experience again. Several years ago I was raped by an exboyfriend and I was terrified I was pregnant. When someone suggested to me to get an abortion, the thought came to me, "Why? This won't cause the rape to be undone - it would just kill the baby that could be raised by someone else."
I realize that no form of birth control is 100% effective. I'm a birthcontrol/condom baby, and my best friend became pregnant with both of her children while she was on the pill. Abstinence is the only sure way for someone to not become pregnant, and I realize that this isn't realistic to expect of most people.
I do believe however that you accept the risks of sex when you choose to engage in it, and becoming pregnant is one of those risks.

[phigamucsb]

pro-life. I had much difficulty deciding on this issue when I was younger but have since come to the conclusion that abortion is fundamentally wrong. In the past few years many things have happened to shape my views (my sister had a daughter, which I could not imagine being absent from my life). Something else that I never really thought about until the other day was what if my parents had had an abortion with me (kinda scary thought) I mean I wouldn't be here to write this post.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by phigamucsb
Something else that I never really thought about until the other day was what if my parents had had an abortion with me (kinda scary thought) I mean I wouldn't be here to write this post.

I've never really understood this statement -- if you weren't here to write this post, you also wouldn't be here to care if you could write this post or not.

I am a pro-choice person. No, I have never had kids but if I was put in the situation where my life or the baby's life or both lives were in danger then I say abort. If I was raped and got pregnant, then, I would not hesitate with an abortion because that child was not brought into this world by my choosing nor by a loving relationship. Now, if I chose to have sex and got pregnant, then, that baby is my responsibility and abortion, by no means, should be used as a form of birth control. An abortion is not by any means easy on a woman's body. I don't care what anyone says. I mean geez they're killing something that's in your body and yanking it out.

I hate it when those people say that abortion is wrong when the mother's or baby's life is in danger. Wouldn't you want that baby to have a mother? Or would you want both baby and mother to die because heaven forbid an abortion might save one of their lives? Why lose two lives over you not wanting an abortion? Or lose the mother's life when the mother can still go on to have other children? That child will grow up without it's natural mother. Yes, I know about adoption where a lot of people grow up without knowing their natural mothers. I also know about all of those abusive relationships.

I also hate it when those people stand out in front of schools with graphic signs advocating pro-life. They're also the ones standing out in front of doctors' offices with those same signs and yelling all kinds of absurd things.

Now, with all of that said, it does outrage me when a pregnant woman is killed and the killer isn't charged with 2 counts of murder. There was no choice on the victims' part, just the killer's.

Also, I am not against sex but my personal choices about sex (like those with an abortion) is my own private decision. I know how I feel about having sex before marriage and it's not a curse to wait. I have been in 2 very serious relationships where the temptation was there. I do know sex is going to happen outside of marriage and out-of-wedlock pregnancies do happen. If you don't want to have a baby, then, when you have sex, use a condom. Not only use a condom but the pill. That way you are less likely to have a baby and contract an STD. Rocket science I know but it doesn't blow my mind!

[PhiPsiRuss]

I'm pro-choice about everything; abortion, drugs, school choice. My stance on these issues is anything but purely ideological. My father was a drug addict, and I attended a private school in the 11th and 12th grades, so I was able to see just how horrendous public education is. But those are topics for another thread.

Abortion is not a good thing, and in a perfect world, it would never happen. Restricting a woman's right to control her body is also a terrible thing. Unfortunately, we can't eliminate both evils, so we must choose.

If abortion were to again become illegal, it could be dramatically reduced, but only if we turned this country into a police state. The United States would cease to exist as a nation of liberty. This is a very heavy price to pay. People don't move to the America to lose freedom, and they don't move to oppressive nations at all.

As I see it, making abortion illegal is profoundly unpatriotic, and anathema to all that is special about America.

I'm against it, I think it's wrong.