Sorority Strongholds?

[KSUViolet06]

I knew that APhi had to have a ton of chapters in CA. I feel like every other Greek in CA that I know is APhi (all at diff schools too.)

[DZsis&mom]

MISSOURI
23 – Total Campuses with NPC Greek Life
9 Chapters – ASA, TriSigma,
8 Chapters – DZ, ZTA,
7 Chapters – ADPi,
6 Chapters – SK, Chi O
5 Chapters – AGD, KD,
4 Chapters – APhi, GPhi, DG,
3 Chapters – TriDelta, Kappa, Pi Phi, Phi Mu,
2 Chapters – AXiD, AOPi, Theta Phi, Theta,
1 Chapter – DphiE,

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I'm pretty sure Alpha Chi Omega has 4 chapters in Missouri (very good friend is Alpha Chi from Missouri)

[LAblondeGPhi]

Originally Posted by DZsis&mom

I'm pretty sure Alpha Chi Omega has 4 chapters in Missouri (very good friend is Alpha Chi from Missouri)

You're correct, I fixed it.

I was doing a running count going through IrishPipe's lists, so it looks like I occasionally missed an organization (I did the same thing with KD and Indiana).

Originally Posted by KDCat

KD is on three campuses in Indiana, and will shortly be on 6 campuses in Missouri. We colonize at WUSTL in January 2013. /nitpicking

I updated the KD Missouri count to six, then decided to put it back at five, just because there are so many planned colonies all over the nation, starting this fall, next spring, the fall after, etc. For our unofficial purposes, and to create a legitimate cut-off, I'll count chapters that have a colony class in place.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

It cracks me up that Phi Mu is a biggie in Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana, Alabama, and...Maryland? How did that get in there?

[KSUViolet06]

^^^^Lake:

Pre-GC, I wouldn't have thought it actually happened. I heard of it and thought "that's just bigger NPCs in the South, no one would ever actually transfer just to join a certain chapter of Sigma." Then I became a volunteer and started meeting alumnae in other states and was found to be wrong. Crazy.

[TriDeltaSallie]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

^^^^Lake:

Pre-GC, I wouldn't have thought it actually happened. I heard of it and thought "that's just bigger NPCs in the South, no one would ever actually transfer just to join a certain chapter of Sigma." Then I became a volunteer and started meeting alumnae in other states and was found to be wrong. Crazy.

So based on your experience, where are the top 3 or 4 to die for Sigma chapters?

[MaryPoppins]

Would strongholds also be represented by the proportion of women members (Alumnae or Collegiate) to the female population of a given state? Or maybe as a proportion to that states number of women members? That latter option takes care of the women that transfer back "home." Don;t think we'll ever see that kind of data analysis. The best you can on your own is review the sketchy chart on Wikipedia with numbers of initiates by GLO that is referenced to various sources.

[LAblondeGPhi]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

Would strongholds also be represented by the proportion of women members (Alumnae or Collegiate) to the female population of a given state? Or maybe as a proportion to that states number of women members? That latter option takes care of the women that transfer back "home." Don;t think we'll ever see that kind of data analysis. The best you can on your own is review the sketchy chart on Wikipedia with numbers of initiates by GLO that is referenced to various sources.

I bet you could get a decent approximation based on Quota and Total figures from IrishPipe's thread. There are a lot of gaps in information, but they tend to be from smaller campuses.

[BAckbOwlsgIrl]

I going to add a wrench into all of this.

I think that have the large amount of chapters in a given state is important.
However, wouldn't it also be important to look at the given school/s in the state including the strength of the chapters, RMF issues, grades, campus/community involvement and quota/retention?

So ABC has 27 chapters BIG STATE. However they are at

• BOONIEVILLE DRUNKEN BIG STATE - struggles, barely has enough to fill the house and closest thing to sober on campus
• NORTHEAST BOONIEVILLE DRUNKEN BIG STATE - unofficial keg stand champions but don't tell their national.
• SOUTHEAST BOONIEVILLE DRUNKEN BIG STATE - Campus chapter of the year, the golden child.
• UNIVERSITY OF BIG STATE - struggles, poor grades, lack of sisterhood, not making quota, will close soon

Alumnae are active to keep the chapters going. Occasional teas and toddlers programs.

VS.

XYZ in the same state

• PRESTIGIOUS PRIVATE UNIVERSITY - Campus chapter of the year, the golden child.
• UNIVERSITY OF BIG STATE - Campus chapter of the year, the golden child. Every PNM wants this chapter. Legacy line around the block.

Alumnae mentor collegians, networking opportunities. Huge annual XYZ Debutante Ball that benefits the local children's hospital. Anchor of one of the television news stations is an alumna.

[TriDeltaSallie]

Originally Posted by BAckbOwlsgIrl

I going to add a wrench into all of this.

I think that have the large amount of chapters in a given state is important.
However, wouldn't it also be important to look at the given school/s in the state including the strength of the chapters, RMF issues, grades, campus/community involvement and quota/retention?

So ABC has 27 chapters BIG STATE. However they are at

• BOONIEVILLE DRUNKEN BIG STATE - struggles, barely has enough to fill the house and closest thing to sober on campus
• NORTHEAST BOONIEVILLE DRUNKEN BIG STATE - unofficial keg stand champions but don't tell their national.
• SOUTHEAST BOONIEVILLE DRUNKEN BIG STATE - Campus chapter of the year, the golden child.
• UNIVERSITY OF BIG STATE - struggles, poor grades, lack of sisterhood, not making quota, will close soon

Alumnae are active to keep the chapters going. Occasional teas and toddlers programs.

VS.

XYZ in the same state

• PRESTIGIOUS PRIVATE UNIVERSITY - Campus chapter of the year, the golden child.
• UNIVERSITY OF BIG STATE - Campus chapter of the year, the golden child. Every PNM wants this chapter. Legacy line around the block.

Alumnae mentor collegians, networking opportunities. Huge annual XYZ Debutante Ball that benefits the local children's hospital. Anchor of one of the television news stations is an alumna.

I completely agree that it is not just about numbers. There is much more that comes into play when talking about the prestige and/or influence factors of different groups in different states.

For example (and I'm thinking off the top of my head here), there are a few groups that started out at primarily teaching schools. I'm guessing those groups are well represented in some states (including Michigan) in the teaching ranks. I would guess they also have a stronger network in the state. Being a Tri Delta means almost nothing in Michigan (unless you live near Ann Arbor). Being Greek is more of an advantage to me than being a Tri Delta. But I would be willing to guess that some of the other groups in Michigan have excellent networking set up because they are widespread. Is it on the same level as some of the prestigious set-ups down south? No, but probably still helpful for those women involved.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by BAckbOwlsgIrl

I going to add a wrench into all of this.

I think that have the large amount of chapters in a given state is important.
However, wouldn't it also be important to look at the given school/s in the state including the strength of the chapters, RMF issues, grades, campus/community involvement and quota/retention?

So ABC has 27 chapters BIG STATE. However they are at

• BOONIEVILLE DRUNKEN BIG STATE - struggles, barely has enough to fill the house and closest thing to sober on campus
• NORTHEAST BOONIEVILLE DRUNKEN BIG STATE - unofficial keg stand champions but don't tell their national.
• SOUTHEAST BOONIEVILLE DRUNKEN BIG STATE - Campus chapter of the year, the golden child.
• UNIVERSITY OF BIG STATE - struggles, poor grades, lack of sisterhood, not making quota, will close soon

Alumnae are active to keep the chapters going. Occasional teas and toddlers programs.

VS.

XYZ in the same state

• PRESTIGIOUS PRIVATE UNIVERSITY - Campus chapter of the year, the golden child.
• UNIVERSITY OF BIG STATE - Campus chapter of the year, the golden child. Every PNM wants this chapter. Legacy line around the block.

Alumnae mentor collegians, networking opportunities. Huge annual XYZ Debutante Ball that benefits the local children's hospital. Anchor of one of the television news stations is an alumna.

Exactly. In Illinois, for example, the two most desirable schools to be at are U of I and Northwestern, both good schools with big Greek life. From there, there's an immediate drop-off in numbers at any of the "directional" or private schools.

That said, though, if someone had asked me off the top of my head what group was strongest in Illinois, Delta Zeta would have come to mind, so the sheer number of chapters isn't meaningless, but if they were not at U of I or NW, that answer may be different.

[LAblondeGPhi]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Exactly. In Illinois, for example, the two most desirable schools to be at are U of I and Northwestern, both good schools with big Greek life. From there, there's an immediate drop-off in numbers at any of the "directional" or private schools.

That said, though, if someone had asked me off the top of my head what group was strongest in Illinois, Delta Zeta would have come to mind, so the sheer number of chapters isn't meaningless, but if they were not at U of I or NW, that answer may be different.

Oh, I totally agree with these points. For example, in California (because I'm a broken record, you know), Phi Sigma Sigma has nine chapters, while Chi Omega has eight. If you just looked at the numbers, you might think that Phi Sig has a stronger presence in the state, but then you look at the campuses:

Phi Sigma Sigma
San Francisco State University
California State University - Bakersfield
Chapman University
Woodbury University
California State Universiy - Stanislaus
University of LaVerne
California State University - Sacramento
California State University - Dominguez Hills
Sonoma State University

Chi Omega
University of California
Stanford University
University of California - Los Angeles
Universiy of California - Santa Barbara
University of California - Davis
California State Polytechnic University - Pomona
University of California - San Diego
California Polytechnic State University

As non-Californians, which of these campuses are you familiar with?

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Exactly. In Illinois, for example, the two most desirable schools to be at are U of I and Northwestern, both good schools with big Greek life. From there, there's an immediate drop-off in numbers at any of the "directional" or private schools.

That said, though, if someone had asked me off the top of my head what group was strongest in Illinois, Delta Zeta would have come to mind, so the sheer number of chapters isn't meaningless, but if they were not at U of I or NW, that answer may be different.

I am also from Illinois, but if you asked me to name the 10 strongest NPCs in the state, I wouldn't have listed DZ. Go figure

[honeychile]

Alpha Delta Pi's Top States By Numbers of Chapters:

North Carolina -11
California - 10
Florida - 10
Texas - 10
Florida - 9
Georgia - 9
Tennessee - 9
Pennsylvania - 8
South Carolina - 8

The rest have seven chapters or less. North Carolina being so prolific has been since I was active (a thousand or two years ago), but Pennsylvania has lost at least three of which I know. If pressed, I'd probably say that ADPi is stronger on the East Coast/South East than the rest of the country, with the obvious exception of California.

[LAblondeGPhi]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

Would strongholds also be represented by the proportion of women members (Alumnae or Collegiate) to the female population of a given state? Or maybe as a proportion to that states number of women members? That latter option takes care of the women that transfer back "home." Don;t think we'll ever see that kind of data analysis. The best you can on your own is review the sketchy chart on Wikipedia with numbers of initiates by GLO that is referenced to various sources.

Ok, one more list from me:

This is an Alabama list using the information from IrishPipe's marvelous thread. I used the individual chapter lists she has at the end of each state section, and then included the Quota information for that campus, and the total PNMs placed to give an idea of the sphere of influence and name recognition that chapter would create.

Example: Auburn University - (62)/(1054)
62 = Quota, or the approximate number of sisters each chapter at this university would initiate in a given year
1054 = Quota x Number of Chapters on the campus, or an approximation of the number of women in a given year who come into direct contact with women from each chapter on that campus through recruitment. It's an imperfect indicator, but perhaps a better one that University population.

Alpha Gamma Delta
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
Troy University (41)/(205)
University of Montevallo (14)/(70)
University of North Alabama (15)/(60)
University of Alabama Birmingham (24)/(96)
Auburn University Montgomery (8)/(24)
University of South Alabama (24)/(120)
TOTAL:
(268)/(2989)

Alpha Delta Pi
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
Samford University (41 last year)(205)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
Troy University (41)/(205)
University of Montevallo (14)/(70)
University of North Alabama (15)/(60)
TOTAL:
(253)/(2954)

Alpha Xi Delta
Jacksonville State University (21)/(105)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
University of Alabama Birmingham (24)/(96)
TOTAL:
(107)/(1255)

Alpha Omicron Pi
Birmingham-Southern College (16 last year)/(96)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
University of South Alabama (24)/(120)
Huntingdon College (15 last year)/(45)
University of Alabama-Birmingham (24)/(96)
Jacksonville State University (21)/(105)
Samford University (41 last year)(205)
University of Alabama - Huntsville (18)/(54)
(301)/(3135)

Alpha Sigma Alpha
University of West Alabama (approx.10)/(30)
(10)/(30)

Alpha Sigma Tau
University of West Alabama (approx.10)/(30)
(10)/(30)

Alpha Phi
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
(80)/(1360)

Alpha Chi Omega
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
Birmingham-Southern (16 last year)/(96)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
(158) / (2510)

Gamma Phi Beta
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
(142)/(2414)

Delta Gamma
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
University of Montevallo (14)/(70)
University of Alabama-Birmingham (24)/(96)
Spring Hill College (25 approx.)/(75)
(205)/(2655)

Delta Delta Delta
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
Spring Hill College (25 approx.)/(75)
(167)/(2489)

Delta Zeta
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
University of Alabama Huntsville (18)/(54)
Auburn University Montgomery (8)/(24)
Jacksonville State University (21)/(105)
(189)/(2597)

Zeta Tau Alpha
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
Birmingham-Southern College (16 last year)/(96)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
Samford University (41 last year)(205)
Jacksonville State University (21)/(105)
University of North Alabama (15)/(60)
Auburn University Montgomery (8)/(24)
(243)/(2904)

Kappa Alpha Theta
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
(142)/(2414)

Kappa Delta
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
Birmingham-Southern College (16 last year)/(96)
Troy University (41)/(205)
University of South Alabama (24)/(120)
University of Alabama Huntsville (18)/(54)
(241)/(2889)

Kappa Kappa Gamma
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
(142)/(2414)

Pi Beta Phi
Birmingham-Southern College (16 last year)/(96)
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
(161)/(2510)

Sigma Delta Tau
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
(80)/(1360)

Sigma Kappa
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
(62)/(1054)

Phi Mu
Samford University (41 last year)(205)
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
Troy University (41)/(205)
University of West Alabama (approx.10)/(30)
University of South Alabama (24)/(120)
Jacksonville State University (21)/(105)
University of Montevallo (14)/(70)
University of North Alabama (15)/(60)
Spring Hill College (25 approx.)/(75)
Huntingdon College (15 last year)/(45)
(348)/(3329)

Chi Omega
University of Alabama (80)/(1360)
Auburn University (62)/(1054)
Samford University (41 last year)(205)
University of South Alabama (24)/(120)
University of Montevallo (14)/(70)
Huntingdon College (15 last year)/(45)
Troy University (41)/(205)
Birmingham-Southern College (16 last year)/(96)
(293)/(3155)