any "nice" conservatives out there?

[non-greek newby]

Originally posted by KSig RC
I think an important concept to remember is that tolerance of others' ideas and viewpoints is extremely difficult - it requires a level of perspective most people simply aren't willing to achieve. For that reason, many won't be tolerant of others . . . which is intellectually lazy at best.

Personally, I can identify with your feelings in a way - I don't associate well with either party, in one sense or another. I am extremely liberal with regard to social issues, fairly Libertarian in my views on government interaction with the daily lives of the people, and conservative in terms of fiscal matters and the size of the government. I'm pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-secular government, and registered as a Republican.

One thing that's important to remember is to not ignore an idea or concept just because the people promoting it are jackasses - then, you're just as bad as the intolerant people you're railing against. Instead, utilize every outlet you can find to learn the most about a particular issue or idea, relate it to your personal feelings and beliefs, and decide for yourself - put yourself on a higher level from those who clown based on political affiliation. At that point, you can truly speak with perspective, which no one can fault you for in the least.

Very well said.

[tinydancer]

Originally posted by HotDamnImAPhiMu
You know what would be nice? a thread listing sock puppets. I get confused sometimes.

Do we have enough room for that??

[WCUgirl]

Originally posted by tinydancer
Do we have enough room for that??

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[adpiucf]

Originally posted by non-greek newby
I myself am probably somewhere in the middle, leaning towards the left.

So you're a liberal and you think your school's conservative minority is unreceptive to your liberal majority?

[Tom Earp]

So, I guess, since I am A Conservative Liberal or is it a Liberal Conservative or how ever You or anyone else want to Pengiun whole me, I am supposed to conform to a defenition that is proposed by someone?

By Some One, I assume that You know that I am talking about Some Academian?

When I vote some damn Patry Lines because someone says I have to, I change like I did Years ago. I can do it again on what Party I am registered to. That sucks by the way.

I and many Voters do have a Mind about how they want to vote for the People who project the best Approach and Plan.

Amazing how many recalls are becoming a Major thing from the Old Line Blood Sucking Political who have been around for every!

Oh, Does Tom Delay ring a bell?

What a Friggen Scuz Ball. Good Old Boy Polotics Keep the Crap in Office.

[chideltjen]

Originally posted by AGDee
More people need to realize that difference. Not allowing schools to conduct formal prayers according to some administrator's choice of which prayer is said (which is the thing that's illegal) is not the same as a kid bowing his head to say grace to himself before he eats lunch in the cafeteria. There is nothing to stop that child from doing that and if anybody did stop them from doing that, the ACLU would probably be all over that too. I pray all over the place. Nobody can legislate my thoughts and I can converse with God any time I please.

Keeping abortion legal doens't mean forcing anybody to have one. Those who don't agree simply don't get them, don't date people who want them to get one (or who would get one), don't donate money to agencies that support it, etc. It simply allows other people the option of free will. It also doesn't mandate doctors to perform them. Only those who choose to perform them do so. Same with the staff in the clinics.

Allowing gay marriages doesn't affect anybody else in any way, shape or form. Nobody is going to force anybody else to marry someone of their own sex. People will choose to do this on their own. Nobody can force a church to perform the marriage. Churches can refuse to marry anybody they don't want to marry.

Drinking is legal for me, but I choose not to do it these days (because it makes me sick). That doesn't mean I believe in Prohibition.

I consider myself liberal simply because I think people should be able to choose whether or not to do all the above things, whether I personally believe or would choose to do them myself.

Dee

Now why can't I think of something this intelligent to say when asked by my fellow parishioners about my "disagreeable" beliefs?

[AGDee]

It's not copyrighted. Feel free to use it.

Thank you for your kind words to those who made positive comments. I led a very sheltered life in a very sheltered community when I was growing up. Then I worked in mental health for 13 years and saw so many horrible things that other people go through. Having seen so many different individuals' circumstances, it just widened my perspective a lot.

[Sistermadly]

Originally posted by non-greek newby
Hi Everyone,
And are there any conservatives out there that can say they are not like this?

Alan Alda's character on The West Wing, but even he's a figment of our imaginations.

[ADPi Conniebama]

I might be considered a mean conservative to someone who disagrees with me. I am a "Jesus Freak", small business owner, college graduate, republican, who is farther right then Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, I own a gun and I would use it in the case of physical harm or hunting (if the time came that it were necessary).

I own a leather coat and wonder if the day would come that a liberal tree hugger ever threw red paint on me (and they better be able to run faster then me in their canvase sneakers. {even though I should turn the other cheek}) I believe in a right and a wrong and my beliefs are based on the infallible Word of God.

I do not judge people but I do judge actions. I am pro-life, anti-gay marrage, pro-smaller government, and I know that if the United States wasnt a "Christian" Nation then this country we love would not have freedom of religion that all of the liberals love to "throw up" at all of us Christians. (also, before anyone says anything I do not think that anyone who is gay or has had an abortion is going to hell that is between them and God)

Oh and if the republican party ever moved farther to the left then it already has I will find another party that matches my beliefs and support it to the best of my ability. Because, I try to put people in power that match my beliefs politically and personally.

However, If you were to meet me you might like me, cause I am a basically nice person who stands firm on her beliefs, and at least you should respect that.

just my 2 cents (< i usually hate when people spill their guts then put that at the end of their post but it seemed to fit this time)

[honeychile]

Originally posted by KillarneyRose
I am a Conservative and I am also very nice.

Ask anyone who matters; they'll tell ya

I don't know, KR - don't you remember the night we spent kicking puppies?

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by non-greek newby
Hey MTSUGRL,
I'm gonna have to say tolerance. I may not agree with a lot of viewpoints out there in the world, but I respect the fact that people may believe certain viewpoints. However, I think my original post was just a reaction to certain people's intolerance of viewpoints and putting down those with such viewpoints, instead of merely disagreeing with them.

And lets not forget that most "liberals" are, as the old saying goes, macro-liberals and micro-fascists.

Tolerance is lacking straight across the political spectrum. Take people who call themselves "pro-choice" and advocate "tolerance." How should children be educated? In a government owned, command-and-control, structure where values are dictated. Fascist and hypocritical.

[non-greek newby]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
And lets not forget that most "liberals" are, as the old saying goes, macro-liberals and micro-fascists.

Tolerance is lacking straight across the political spectrum. Take people who call themselves "pro-choice" and advocate "tolerance." How should children be educated? In a government owned, command-and-control, structure where values are dictated. Fascist and hypocritical.

I'm sorry PhiPsiRuss, I don't understand your argument. Could you elaborate a little? Thanks.

p.s. ADPi Conniebama, I love how you're a "Jesus Freak" with a gun. So ironic, yet so hillarious...

[Rudey]

99% of conservative and liberals don't know a single thing about politics. They're all talk...often stupid as well.

I figure the liberal morons won't ever matter and the conservative morons will vote for what I want at the end of the day.

-Rudey

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by non-greek newby
I'm sorry PhiPsiRuss, I don't understand your argument. Could you elaborate a little? Thanks.

Let me break it down to you like this
1) The title and premise of this thread is inherently hypocritical
2) Political leanings are no indication of intolerance or incivility, as both exists across the spectrum. This is evidenced by the reality that...
3) The overwhelming majority of American liberals really aren't liberal, and many of them are quite fascist. So pointing out intolerant conservatives (or anything) usually comes from an argument with no moral authority.

[non-greek newby]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Let me break it down to you like this
1) The title and premise of this thread is inherently hypocritical
2) Political leanings are no indication of intolerance or incivility, as both exists across the spectrum. This is evidenced by the reality that...
3) The overwhelming majority of American liberals really aren't liberal, and many of them are quite fascist. So pointing out intolerant conservatives (or anything) usually comes from an argument with no moral authority.

PhiPsiRuss, please give me specifics. I'm not one to accept random statements without reasons for them.

1)How is a thread that points out one instance of intolerance, and asks others' opinions on it, hypocritical? If you mean that I, myself, am intolerant of certain views, I think I already made myself clear that that is not the point I wanted to make and apologize if that is what you got from the initial post.

2)Unless you somehow misconstrued my statements, which it does seem like it, I never stated at any point throughtout this thread that I believed political leanings are an indication of intolerance or incivility. In fact, I am an advocate of diversity across different political beliefs and affiliations. I do believe, however, that some can show their intolerance in the way they react to others' political beliefs. i.e. Putting down the person, not the idea/belief

3)I do understand the lines have blurred within the political spectrum, which I believe makes things so much more interesting. There rarely exists any pure liberals or pure conservatives. I, myself, share beliefs with both parties on certain issues. However, to call liberals fascist is a bit of an overstatement that I believe is a little absurd --- unless, of course, you can show me that liberals are dictatorial in nature. Then you have truly disproved me and I shall bow down to your wrath.