Information on HBGLOs

[elldawg]

Originally posted by ladygreek
And if you want to spill all the beans about PBS--go ahead. Don't expect the rest of us to do the same about our orgs.

And btw, considering your relationship with KAZO, why did you feel the need to bring up that comparison on here? Looking for some sympathizers?

I never looked for sympathizers on KAZO, I aint lookin for them now. As I said before, I love KAZO, but it's a little different than the NPHC listserve. With that in mind, if this individual had access to greeks on that listserve, they might get better responses than what they've gotten here. The Walter Kimbroughs of the world are often a little more forthcoming with information than the SPITES of the world.

If someone asks me for information about an organization that is fairly general in nature I will provide an answer whether it be NAACP or PBS or DST. Aint no need to spill beans. Hell, if I know anything about anybody's org, it's because its out there in the public domain. If someone asks me what are the colors for DST or Alpha or the Ques or PBS, I will tell them. Yeah, I could tell them to go look it up, but in the same breath I could give them the answer. The same is true for many of the questions that have been posed in this thread.

Conversely, If people want information on sensitive topics such as an organization's intake process, including PBS, I will refer them to a website or an officer of the organization that can give them the information that they need.

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by elldawg
I never looked for sympathizers on KAZO, I aint lookin for them now. As I said before, I love KAZO, but it's a little different than the NPHC listserve. With that in mind, if this individual had access to greeks on that listserve, they might get better responses than what they've gotten here. The Walter Kimbroughs of the world are often a little more forthcoming with information than the SPITES of the world.

If someone asks me for information about an organization that is fairly general in nature I will provide an answer whether it be NAACP or PBS or DST. Aint no need to spill beans. Hell, if I know anything about anybody's org, it's because its out there in the public domain. If someone asks me what are the colors for DST or Alpha or the Ques or PBS, I will tell them. Yeah, I could tell them to go look it up, but in the same breath I could give them the answer. The same is true for many of the questions that have been posed in this thread.

Conversely, If people want information on sensitive topics such as an organization's intake process, including PBS, I will refer them to a website or an officer of the organization that can give them the information that they need.

One of the smartest posts on Site. Thank You!

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by elldawg
I never looked for sympathizers on KAZO, I aint lookin for them now. As I said before, I love KAZO, but it's a little different than the NPHC listserve. With that in mind, if this individual had access to greeks on that listserve, they might get better responses than what they've gotten here. The Walter Kimbroughs of the world are often a little more forthcoming with information than the SPITES of the world.

If someone asks me for information about an organization that is fairly general in nature I will provide an answer whether it be NAACP or PBS or DST. Aint no need to spill beans. Hell, if I know anything about anybody's org, it's because its out there in the public domain. If someone asks me what are the colors for DST or Alpha or the Ques or PBS, I will tell them. Yeah, I could tell them to go look it up, but in the same breath I could give them the answer. The same is true for many of the questions that have been posed in this thread.

Conversely, If people want information on sensitive topics such as an organization's intake process, including PBS, I will refer them to a website or an officer of the organization that can give them the information that they need.

I think the point was that if you know the information about another org, its cause its public domain, which means that the person asking the question can probably do some research and find their answer.

[starang21]

Originally posted by ladygreek
Ha, so says the person who tries to keep mess going with his I Felta Thigh obsession.

quite an obsession indeed.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by elldawg

Conversely, If people want information on sensitive topics such as an organization's intake process, including PBS, I will refer them to a website or an officer of the organization that can give them the information that they need.

Isn't this what we have been saying?

[abaici]

I cannot believe this thread is still going (yes, I realize by posting that I am a part of the problem ).

Let's make this real clear. You have the right to ASK a question. You do not have the right to RECEIVE an answer. It does not matter if the question is in the public domain or secret, you cannot demand that someone answer your question if they do not want to.

If I feel a question is inappropriate, irrelevant, or prying, I do not feel obligated to answer it. If I feel that a person does not REALLY care to know the answer and they are just trying to "start some mess," I do not feel obligated to answer it.

[elldawg]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
I think the point was that if you know the information about another org, its cause its public domain, which means that the person asking the question can probably do some research and find their answer.

MY point is research is simply seeking answers to questions. These folks have posed questions, I'm willing to answer what I can. Others are not. For whatever reason, many NPHC greeks like to send people on treasure hunts for information. Then they get all upset when people have the wrong information. Whatever reason they have for doing this is really their perogative. I tend to take a different approach, one that I believe is more productive in developing a mutual understanding between BGLOs (and their members) and people who do not belong to BGLOs.

The main purpose of my posts in this thread is that it is not the way of all NPHC greeks to be dismissive when it comes to answering general questions about Black greek culture.

[elldawg]

Originally posted by ladygreek
Isn't this what we have been saying?

No.

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by elldawg
MY point is research is simply seeking answers to questions. These folks have posed questions, I'm willing to answer what I can. Others are not. For whatever reason, many NPHC greeks like to send people on treasure hunts for information. Then they get all upset when people have the wrong information. Whatever reason they have for doing this is really their perogative. I tend to take a different approach, one that I believe is more productive in developing a mutual understanding between BGLOs (and their members) and people who do not belong to BGLOs.

The main purpose of my posts in this thread is that it is not the way of all NPHC greeks to be dismissive when it comes to answering general questions about Black greek culture.

I personally don't think anyone here is being dismissive. Are you saying that when an interest comes up to you and asks you what the names of the founders of PBS are, you volunteer the information? I doubt it. You do what everyone here is saying: RESEARCH!

Not to mention, you can only comment on YOUR experience and YOUR org. I know I don't want you telling anyone about Sigma Gamma Rho, cause you aren't a member of my organization. If you want to comment on you and yours, go ahead. But don't try to come in and shame those who have chosen to answer questions differently.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by ladygreek
Isn't this what we have been saying?

Yes.

[babe'sbabe]

Originally posted by Rudey
Obviously it's not just about national programs and what a chapter is like, so is there anyone out there that actually has info as to the reasoning why some people, like this one for example, are able to come up with these conclusions so early on? If someone says research I probably won't look at it and if someone is on ignore, I won't look at it. Hopefully someone knows. Wolfman? elldawg?

-Rudey

Ok,

I'll bite at this one.

As I posted earlier in my thread, I was exposed to several NPHC sororities on the graduate level while still in high school. I also had teachers, advisors and mentors that were members of these grioups. As a high school student on group appealed to me more than any other. Perhaps is was the FREE tutoring they offered to the community students or the FREE SAT Prep they offered (my parents couldn't afford Kaplan). Or perhaps it was because almost EVERY female that shaped my academic and social develpoment post elementry school was a member of this organization.

Fast forward to college...
The day I moved into my dorm, this sorority had members there to HELP move us into our dorms. They carried boxes and held open doors. They answered question that my parents had about the quality of campus life. They even had a refreshment table set up in the parking lot. They provided us with welcome baskets and orientation pamphlet on campus life and african american resources on a predominately white campus. Now, this same group that assisted me in high school was here to assist me on my FIRST DAY ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS.

This is when the light bulb went off and I started DOING MY RESEARCH. First on the national organization and it programs. What type of women were members, what contributions have they made to society ect. Then, I set out to meet members of the chapter that could take the national prospective and put it into context on our campus. Things vary from state to state and so the implementation of various programs will as well. I attended service projects and social events with this group of women. As I solidified my relationship, I was given more information that would assist me in my quest. (However, it was nothing esoteric or sacred) Perhaps the title of a "good book" I should read or another person I should talk to and get to know.

Now, the school year is over and I am back home...
I take a trip back to my old high school and talk to the teachers and mentors that assisted me. Our conversation covered many topics. Maybe even some discussion of joining a particular organzation. Here I received additional information on what I could do to ensure that I was a well rounded applicant when the time came.

I am going to end it here as I believe that you have enough to answer your question, and I was successful in my quest. The short answer to your question is this. Some people have an idea of what organization they want to join when they get to campus. Some do not. However, by observing and interacting with members of the chapter on a particular campus as well as older members already in the sorority a person can determine if a group is right for them.

Sterotypes are only a small part of greek life. A person may get to a campus and see that the group of their choice does not adhere to the particular repretation they believed it to have. This is why you attend may different service projects, and forums. You see the chapter, how they interact with each other and how they interact with nongreeks. Then, after you have made up your mind 100% you attend the rush of the organization that you have selected and hope that you make the cut.

So you see, while seeking membership into a WGLO a PNM would attend events during rush to get to know the chapter(house) and allow members to get to know them during a prescribed time, the same thing happens with NPHC groups. However, there is no prescribed time period, or formally organized rush events. Interests do the research on their own so that when asked why do you want to join XYZ sorority, Inc, they can come up with an intelligent answer based on the things they learned from their research.

**end pontification**

[Rudey]

Originally posted by abaici
I cannot believe this thread is still going (yes, I realize by posting that I am a part of the problem ).

Let's make this real clear. You have the right to ASK a question. You do not have the right to RECEIVE an answer. It does not matter if the question is in the public domain or secret, you cannot demand that someone answer your question if they do not want to.

If I feel a question is inappropriate, irrelevant, or prying, I do not feel obligated to answer it. If I feel that a person does not REALLY care to know the answer and they are just trying to "start some mess," I do not feel obligated to answer it.

OK don't answer. But why constantly keep posting that you won't answer? Someone might answer and that's OK too. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and nobody is making threads about AKA members not telling us their handshake and nobody is PMing you and harassing you to tell us your ritual.

-Rudey

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by elldawg
I never looked for sympathizers on KAZO, I aint lookin for them now. As I said before, I love KAZO, but it's a little different than the NPHC listserve. With that in mind, if this individual had access to greeks on that listserve, they might get better responses than what they've gotten here. The Walter Kimbroughs of the world are often a little more forthcoming with information than the SPITES of the world.

If someone asks me for information about an organization that is fairly general in nature I will provide an answer whether it be NAACP or PBS or DST. Aint no need to spill beans. Hell, if I know anything about anybody's org, it's because its out there in the public domain. If someone asks me what are the colors for DST or Alpha or the Ques or PBS, I will tell them. Yeah, I could tell them to go look it up, but in the same breath I could give them the answer. The same is true for many of the questions that have been posed in this thread.

Conversely, If people want information on sensitive topics such as an organization's intake process, including PBS, I will refer them to a website or an officer of the organization that can give them the information that they need.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by elldawg
For whatever reason, many NPHC greeks like to send people on treasure hunts for information. Then they get all upset when people have the wrong information.

The main purpose of my posts in this thread is that it is not the way of all NPHC greeks to be dismissive when it comes to answering general questions about Black greek culture.

You are more likely to get the wrong information when you do not seek official sources for the information.

Greekchat posters are not official sources for information.

For questions like "how will someone know they want XYZ before they go to college," we gave general answers pages ago. If people wanted PERSONAL accounts, that's all they had to ask for and a couple of people would've responded accordingly.

People who have common sense and know how to read know that all NPHC greeks aren't dismissive. These people understand why some of us have commented as we have. Do not feel you have to "save the world" because you really are not saying anything that hasn't been said in this LOOOOOONG thread already.

[Rudey]

OK I understand how those were things that helped you.

But I would think a lot of sororities help with classes, scholarships, and moving in. No?

I mean sure, if you look at the NPC what really separates all the GLOs? Are there DEEP fundamental differences? No. I think for us, quite a bit of it comes from how well they do nationally, but most of it is from how great of a chapter they have locally (size, achievements, how you get along with sister/brothers).

I just have a hard time understanding how you know what sorority your daughter will be in if you aren't your daughter and don't know how she'll interact with certain sisters. I guess those that do are relying solely on stereotypes then unless there is someone who is really adamant about voting or SAT lessons or something.

-Rudey

Originally posted by babe'sbabe
Ok,

I'll bite at this one.

As I posted earlier in my thread, I was exposed to several NPHC sororities on the graduate level while still in high school. I also had teachers, advisors and mentors that were members of these grioups. As a high school student on group appealed to me more than any other. Perhaps is was the FREE tutoring they offered to the community students or the FREE SAT Prep they offered (my parents couldn't afford Kaplan). Or perhaps it was because almost EVERY female that shaped my academic and social develpoment post elementry school was a member of this organization.

Fast forward to college...
The day I moved into my dorm, this sorority had members there to HELP move us into our dorms. They carried boxes and held open doors. They answered question that my parents had about the quality of campus life. They even had a refreshment table set up in the parking lot. They provided us with welcome baskets and orientation pamphlet on campus life and african american resources on a predominately white campus. Now, this same group that assisted me in high school was here to assist me on my FIRST DAY ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS.

This is when the light bulb went off and I started DOING MY RESEARCH. First on the national organization and it programs. What type of women were members, what contributions have they made to society ect. Then, I set out to meet members of the chapter that could take the national prospective and put it into context on our campus. Things vary from state to state and so the implementation of various programs will as well. I attended service projects and social events with this group of women. As I solidified my relationship, I was given more information that would assist me in my quest. (However, it was nothing esoteric or sacred) Perhaps the title of a "good book" I should read or another person I should talk to and get to know.

Now, the school year is over and I am back home...
I take a trip back to my old high school and talk to the teachers and mentors that assisted me. Our conversation covered many topics. Maybe even some discussion of joining a particular organzation. Here I received additional information on what I could do to ensure that I was a well rounded applicant when the time came.

I am going to end it here as I believe that you have enough to answer your question, and I was successful in my quest. The short answer to your question is this. Some people have an idea of what organization they want to join when they get to campus. Some do not. However, by observing and interacting with members of the chapter on a particular campus as well as older members already in the sorority a person can determine if a group is right for them.

Sterotypes are only a small part of greek life. A person may get to a campus and see that the group of their choice does not adhere to the particular repretation they believed it to have. This is why you attend may different service projects, and forums. You see the chapter, how they interact with each other and how they interact with nongreeks. Then, after you have made up your mind 100% you attend the rush of the organization that you have selected and hope that you make the cut.

So you see, while members seeking membership into a WGLO a PNM would attend events during rush to get to know the chapter(house) and allow members to get to know them during a prescribed time, the same thing happens with NPHC groups. However, there is no prescribed time period. Or formally organized rush events. Interests do the research on their own so that when asked why do you want to join XYZ sorority, Inc, they can come up with an intelligent answer based on the things they learned from their research.

**end pontification**