Teacher's salaries

You know, I really don't think they could. It's two very long stories, but I just don't know. Maybe they could but just hated it, but I really don't think they were capable.

[CarolinaDG]

Rudey, you reitterrated my point. They have people who pay tons of money to see them, which is why they make that much money. But it doesn't seem fair. That was my point.

and teachers in my area make not even enough to really sustain themselves unless their married to one of the Wachovia bankers.


I dunno, I'm not even a teacher, and this thread is making me mad.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by CarolinaDG
Rudey, you reitterrated my point. They have people who pay tons of money to see them, which is why they make that much money. But it doesn't seem fair. That was my point.

and teachers in my area make not even enough to really sustain themselves unless their married to one of the Wachovia bankers.

1) Because people pay tons of money to see them, that's fair. That's how things work in a market environment. There aren't that many people able to do what NBA players do so people pay a lot to see them. There are a lot of teachers and people able to do what teachers do so people do not pay a lot for them.

2) Again there are professions of all kinds in your area that don't make a lot I would bet. That's why people should use the average.

3) A Wachovia banker probably makes less than a teacher given that he works in commercial banking.

-Rudey

[kddani]

Originally posted by CarolinaDG
and teachers in my area make not even enough to really sustain themselves unless their married to one of the Wachovia bankers.

I dunno, I'm not even a teacher, and this thread is making me mad.

If you're that mad an feel so strongly about this, then lobby your lawmakers, both local and state, to do something about it.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by kddani
If you're that mad an feel so strongly about this, then lobby your lawmakers, both local and state, to do something about it.

Works for me. When those lawmakers have to pay more for teachers and the governments issue more debt to pay for it, that will be fine for me.

You should all lobby to increase teacher salaries!

-Rudey

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by kddani
Sorry if it came across that way, but that's not how I meant it.

I learn new things everyday in the law. I'm sure you learn something new every day as a teacher, but it's a different kind of knowledge.

I never said one was better than the other. Don't put words into my mouth, please. I picked what was best for me, what I found to be most appropriate and enjoyable for myself.

And, not to be rude, but there are plenty of teachers out there that aren't as smart as me. Looking at some of the people that I know are teachers, I can say for certain that I'm smarter than they are. I'm sure there are some that are smarter than me. But that goes for anyone. Don't go looking for something that's not there in my post

1. People in different professions do learn new things everyday. And since they are all different professions it isn't the same kind of knowledge. So I'm confused why law is more intellectually stimulating vs. teaching or another profession. Teachers, business people, or even doctors learn new things. Microbiologists learn new things. Chemists learn new things. There is no real way to measure the amount people learn in their professions across the board to compare it to others.

2. You never said one was better than the other (literally), however you did say that you couldn't believe that teachers were making more than you do since you have a law degree.

3. Chances are there are also a ton of lawyers out there that are probably as smart as doorknobs too. If you never had any teachers of any kind- elementary, high school, college, law school, or even those LSAT prep courses (do they have those?), you wouldn't be a lawyer.

[CarolinaDG]

That's not what makes me mad. What makes me mad is that people seem to think that a teacher with a masters should be making much less than someone else with a masters. That's insane. Or that a teacher with a bachelors should be making $17,000. That also is insane.


And I said it SEEMS unfair that basketball players make that much. I understand WHY it is.

And I don't know how many Wachovia bankers you know, but I know a lot since I'm from Charlotte. And trust me, they're FINE on money. And they earn every penny of it, too.

[kddani]

Originally posted by texas*princess
1. People in different professions do learn new things everyday. And since they are all different professions it isn't the same kind of knowledge. So I'm confused why law is more intellectually stimulating vs. teaching or another profession.

2. You never said one was better than the other (literally), however you did say that you couldn't believe that teachers were making more than you do since you have a law degree.

3. Chances are there are also a ton of lawyers out there that are probably as smart as doorknobs too. If you never had any teachers of any kind- elementary, high school, college, law school, or even those LSAT prep courses (do they have those?), you wouldn't be a lawyer.

1) It's not the same kind of knowledge. A teacher isn't learning new things about calculus everyday, or reading. It's a different kind of knowledge to me. I don't view everything you learn in life as the falling in the same category.

2) Being paid more money doesn't necessarily equal better. People can assume all they want, I don't care, but I know what I meant.

3) There are many more barriers to being a lawyer. You have to do well in college. You have to score well enough on the LSAT. You have to get through law school. You have to pass the bar. So while I agree there are many lawyers out there that have the common sense of a doorknob, you have to be of a reasonable intelligence level to be a lawyer.

I never said I hated teachers or that they had no value. But my high school teachers, and I can reasonably deduct which ones are making the $75K, are NOT worth that, especially when there are many thing that they did not prepare me for.

[CarolinaDG]

Originally posted by kddani
So reading my local newspaper... my high school's teachers are threatening to go on strike. Currently, "the starting salary for a teacher with a master's degree at South Fayette is $39,250, approximately $3,500 above the county average, according to the school district.The average teacher's salary is $55,940 a year, with one-third of South Fayette teachers earning more than $75,000 a year."


It's sad that the average teacher's salary from my HS is fairly likely to be more than i'll make starting out of law school.

Reminder of the original post... Did you ever think that maybe the 1/3 have masters or doctorates with years of experience? Maybe it's not so sad that someone with more experience in their field is making more than you?

[Rudey]

I now nominate pool boys to earn at least $300,000 because they are smart and this will increase the flow of smart pool boys into the industry.

-Rudey

[kddani]

Originally posted by CarolinaDG
Reminder of the original post... Did you ever think that maybe the 1/3 have masters or doctorates with years of experience? Maybe it's not so sad that someone with more experience in their field is making more than you?

No, because this is MY school and I KNOW the teachers. There are only a very few doctorates. And as I said earlier, people with a PhD I understand. I don't think all of them have masters, especially the ones who have been there long enough to make the top bucks. Many of the ones with more experience were some of the worst teachers, who were only there in body until their retirement. As a previous poster said, having us watch movies while they read a book.

[kddani]

Originally posted by Rudey
I now nominate pool boys to earn at least $300,000 because they are smart and this will increase the flow of smart pool boys into the industry.

-Rudey

I'll second that, only if there's a requirement that they're all really hot and will be at the very least, shirtless.

I will, of course, have a pool, when I make over $600K a year as an attorney......

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by kddani
1) It's not the same kind of knowledge. A teacher isn't learning new things about calculus everyday, or reading. It's a different kind of knowledge to me. I don't view everything you learn in life as the falling in the same category.

How do you know what a teacher is learning every day? Do you think they all learn some concepts and do nothing but regurgutate them over and over for years until they die a miserable, unintelligent death? I'm sure teachers learn all kinds of new ideas and subjects and all kinds of things -- they have to stay current.

On the other hand, I know plenty of stupid attorneys who don't learn anything new ever and just recite the same old B.S. crap every day in court.

[CarolinaDG]

Maybe you're the one who needs to be writing letters.


It's not a very good comparison, though. An entry-level lawyer versus a 60-year-old teacher who has 30 or 40 years of experience? By the time you get to be their age you'll be making tons more.

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by kddani
No, because this is MY school and I KNOW the teachers. There are only a very few doctorates. And as I said earlier, people with a PhD I understand. I don't think all of them have masters, especially the ones who have been there long enough to make the top bucks. Many of the ones with more experience were some of the worst teachers, who were only there in body until their retirement. As a previous poster said, having us watch movies while they read a book.

If there was a problem with teachers back then, maybe something should have been done about it back then. If no one tells them they aren't doing their job, they are going to keep doing it the way they were.