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Old 07-19-2004, 07:03 AM
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also you gotta question the political right on this one:

"John Kerry is RICH!"

"John Kerry is tied to COMMUNISM!"

Wouldnt the ideologies of Communism and Marxism regarding equality and redistribution of wealth take away his money? hmmm.... one must be a lie. And the other? A hypocratic comment.

Side note: Nixon used whisper campaigns in his Congressional races... ("psst...did you know that Jerry Voorhis is a Communist?" "psst...did you know that Helen Douglas is Jewish?")
Once again this is not the whole political right saying this - this is one writer in one questionable publication writing it as an opinion piece.
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Old 07-19-2004, 08:17 AM
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also you gotta question the political right on this one:

"John Kerry is RICH!"

"John Kerry is tied to COMMUNISM!"

Wouldnt the ideologies of Communism and Marxism regarding equality and redistribution of wealth take away his money? hmmm.... one must be a lie. And the other? A hypocratic comment.

Side note: Nixon used whisper campaigns in his Congressional races... ("psst...did you know that Jerry Voorhis is a Communist?" "psst...did you know that Helen Douglas is Jewish?")
The nice thing about being incredibly wealthy in America is that you CAN have it both ways. These folks pay very little income tax if any (receive and store their funds off-shore). The folks that are really hurt by our current redistribution of the wealth are the upper middle class.

I'll bet my parents paid more in income tax than Bill Gates did last year.
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Old 07-19-2004, 10:56 AM
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The nice thing about being incredibly wealthy in America is that you CAN have it both ways. These folks pay very little income tax if any (receive and store their funds off-shore). The folks that are really hurt by our current redistribution of the wealth are the upper middle class.

I'll bet my parents paid more in income tax than Bill Gates did last year.
I bet Bill Gates donated more money last year than most Americans combined. He plans to donate 90% or 95% of his net worth within his lifetime. So far his foundation is worth 24 billion dollars. That could increase to over 50 billion dollars over the course of his lifetime which would make him one of the biggest philanthropists in the US ever.

I mention this since charitable donations is another way to redistribute wealth.
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Old 07-21-2004, 01:26 PM
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http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryv.htm

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Kerry has missed more than 80% of Senate votes this year, the AP reports.
That's the guy I want running my nation! [/sarcasm]
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Old 07-21-2004, 01:53 PM
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http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryv.htm



That's the guy I want running my nation! [/sarcasm]
Great. Another piece of stellar journalism from Matt Drudge.

Let's be fair.

Of course he's been on the road campaigning. So has the President. So, who is running the nation? And who is casting the important votes?

This street runs both ways.

That's one of the big problems I see in our campaign system. It takes our public officials out of their offices during sometimes critical times.
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Old 07-21-2004, 01:57 PM
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Great. Another piece of stellar journalism from Matt Drudge.

Let's be fair.

Of course he's been on the road campaigning. So has the President. So, who is running the nation? And who is casting the important votes?

This street runs both ways.

That's one of the big problems I see in our campaign system. It takes out public officials out of their offices during sometimes critical times.
He quotes AP. It's not Drudge.

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Old 07-21-2004, 01:57 PM
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Great. Another piece of stellar journalism from Matt Drudge.

Let's be fair.

Of course he's been on the road campaigning. So has the President. So, who is running the nation? And who is casting the important votes?

This street runs both ways.

That's one of the big problems I see in our campaign system. It takes out public officials out of their offices during sometimes critical times.
I agree with you, DeltAlum. I've often said that I believe in the six-years, no reelection system.

And now I'll sit back and wait for someone to tell me that it's against the Constitution (not that anything from the Constitution has ever been amended!)...
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Old 07-21-2004, 01:57 PM
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Missed Senate votes one of the complaints against Kennedy when he ran for President in 1960.. nice to see a recycled argument.
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Old 07-21-2004, 02:06 PM
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He quotes AP. It's not Drudge.
Could be that it started out as AP, but the link looks to be to Drudge.

ETA that following the link finds a lot of pics of Kerry vacationing -- not campaigning.

Would it be too obvious to point out that the President took 30 days or so of vacation at the Texas ranch starting within a month of taking office? Remember the pics of him out golfing, etc.?

I simply want to see fair campaigning from both sides -- "their" media included.
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Old 07-21-2004, 02:15 PM
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Could be that it started out as AP, but the link looks to be to Drudge.

ETA that following the link finds a lot of pics of Kerry vacationing -- not campaigning.

Would it be too obvious to point out that the President took 30 days or so of vacation at the Texas ranch starting within a month of taking office? Remember the pics of him out golfing, etc.?

I simply want to see fair campaigning from both sides -- "their" media included.
Oh yeah but if anything, I would say that this is just as much fair play because I saw more than enough images of Bush on vacation, etc.

Also, can someone tell me what piece of legislation was passed that Edwards worked on?

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Old 07-21-2004, 02:19 PM
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Missed Senate votes one of the complaints against Kennedy when he ran for President in 1960.. nice to see a recycled argument.
And it will continue to be an argument whenever ANY Congressman runs for office. They said it about Dole (which was a driving factor in him resiging his post), they said it about Kennedy, they'll say it about Kerry.

That's just the way it goes.
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Old 07-21-2004, 02:21 PM
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And it will continue to be an argument whenever ANY Congressman runs for office. They said it about Dole (which was a driving factor in him resiging his post), they said it about Kennedy, they'll say it about Kerry.

That's just the way it goes.
Exactly my point, and it includes Presidents and Vice Presidents as well.
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Old 07-21-2004, 05:48 PM
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Posted by Hal Cranmer - February 7, 2004 11:50 AM (cranmerhal@hotmail.com)

I would like to add my two cents about my John Kerry experience. During my career as an Air Force pilot, I spent two years flying a small twin-engine prop plane around the Pacific from my base in Okinawa, Japan. On one trip we had to fly Senator Kerry, his congressional aide, and a Navy Captain (Vietnam, A-4 fighter pilot) who was also in Kerry's party to various locations in Vietnam and Cambodia as part of the MIA/POW talks.

When I met him, he was wearing a shirt with a picture of his sailboat on it. I told him I had a small 27 sailboat in Okinawa, he remarked "Oh I never sail on anything less than 135 feet." When we first flew him into Phnom Penh, he went to the back of the airplane and grabbed the pizza that was put aside for the crew and passed it around to his staff. He was never offered any pizza because they were supposed to have lunch with the Cambodian government once we landed. The pizza would have been our only meal that day.

Then when we picked him up in Cambodia, he was an hour late getting to the airport. We could not start the engines and therefore the air conditioning until he arrived. Phnom Penh at that time was over 100 degrees with 95% humidity and we were basically sitting in a greenhouse behind the cockpit windows. When he finally did arrive, we were wringing out our clothes from the perspiration. He walks out of the air-conditioned car, into the airplane and asks us "Could you guys get the air conditioning running, I'm a little warm?" The other pilot had to physically restrain me from going back there and picking a fight.

Then we took him into Noi Bai airfield in Hanoi. After we picked him up the next day (he stayed the night in Vietnam, we stayed in Bangkok) we taxied out, ran up the engines for takeoff, and noticed that our prop rpm was vibrating all over the place. We taxied off to the side to look at it, but there was a good possibility that there was an engine malfunction and the engine may fail if we took off with it. Well, Mr. Senator sticks his head up in the cockpit and says "This plane WILL take off, I have a press conference in Bangkok in three hours!" (Maybe this is an indication of how he will run the FAA). We ran the engines again, and did not have the problem, so we took off and made it back.

During the flight, he told everyone how he had taken a Cessna (a small General aviation plane) up with a fighter pilot, and the fighter pilot remarked that Kerry was one of the best pilots he had ever seen. I don't know about other pilots out there, but it's hard to imagine a little, single-engine prop plane pilot being able to show the "right stuff." After Kerry left the plane, the Navy Captain came up to us, apologized and said basically that "he knows Kerry is a jerk" and that we should be glad we don't have to deal with him every day.
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Old 07-21-2004, 05:53 PM
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Missed Senate votes one of the complaints against Kennedy when he ran for President in 1960.. nice to see a recycled argument.
Good Lord, the DNC will take any opportunity it can to draw parallels between JFK and John F. Kerry.

Propaganda, much?
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Old 07-21-2004, 07:49 PM
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wow- I didnt know I was part of the DNC- thanx!
All I did was say this argument had been used before, but thanks for making assumptions.
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