NPC Quota, Release Figures and Quota Additions - Page 4

StarDust7381 · #1 10-13-2002, 12:10 AM

I too think that enforcing chapter sizes across the board would be the best. At my school quota this year was 41+ 5%. In theory its great for the girls but it also completely screws over the smallest houses. Our greek system is set so for Third Sets you visit 6 houses and then only 3 for preferences. if a girl does not get matched to her top 3 she could still get matched to her fourth choice. sometimes the PNM wouldn't want the 4th house but there are also cases where the PNM would have liked to have visited fourth house. Ceiling at my school is 120 and often women in those chapters do not always know her sisters. So if house XYZ got 45 girls (when 41 is quota), those extra 4 girls are often just a number to them. My chapter is a newer house on campus so it is harder for us to get as many women. My chapter got 7 outstanding women but I believe that if chapter sizes had been enforced we probably could have gotten more women. We are not one of the bottom ranked houses on campus but rather our PNMs at preferences were going to our house plus 2 other very large and popular houses on campus. Often, girls will rank an older, larger house on campus before a newer house because they feel it is a "safe bet". Its hard to win over as many girls being a newer house without a set reputation on campus while also being comparablely liked as the most popular houses on campus. Some houses on my campus don't even have to try to rush because thier name is enough to get members flocking to the door. On my campus(out of 15 chapters), among the most popular houses are KKG, AXO, DDD APhi, ADPi, DG (those are also the houses that my non AGD friends are in!). 4 other chapters have awesome women but they recruit different personalities than the ones above and us. During preferences, most of the girls we had coming through were chosing between mostly us and ADPi and APhi.

So i think a set quota system would have been beneficial to us.

Also, our panhel set a rule that says if any sorority loses any pledges during the year, they can rush to replace her whether they have at least 85 women returning for the next school year or not. I don't think that helps the smaller houses who need women.

doubleblue&gold · #2 09-04-2002, 05:09 PM

Quota and total are made to encorage a sronger greek system and aid individual groups. Otherwise, you might end up with only one group on campus that everyone belonged to. Usually Panhellenic will not invite another group on campus until the existing ones are strong and there are more women wanting to join than there are places available.

doubleblue&gold · #3 09-14-2003, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
From an IFC / Guy point of View, Jeeze What a Cluster F!

This is like Abbot and Costello, Whos on first!

That's exactly how it can be!!!

It all comes to who the PNM puts first and whether the GLO ranks her on their first list. If she isn't on their first list, she can still get a bid if not all the girls on the first bid list put then first.

Say, PNM-1 wants ABC first and XYZ second. PNM-2 wants RST first and ABC second. If ABC put PNM-2 on their first list but she gets a bid to RST (her first choice, then ABC has a place for PNM-1 if she's ranked high enough on their second list. If not, then PNM-1 receives a bid from XYZ depending where she is on their list.

At universities where he PNMs are told to rank all the houses whether they went to pref or not, it's possible to get a bid from someone you actually cut to go somewhere else!

MTSUGURL · #4 05-31-2003, 03:28 AM

OUCH. My head hurts after reading this thread...

AOII_LB93 · #5 08-28-2002, 05:16 PM

So my question is, if all houses on campus hit quota of 35- 40 except one, and that one house only had 17 on their bid list, and then of those 17, 8 choose to go to that house....how is that fair when all 3 pref parties are full? It throws the system so out of whack that of the 7 houses on the campus I advise, 6 of them are at 60+ members (with ceiling at 60) and one house is at 26.

Just wondering....seen it happen 2 years in a row on my campus.
I think it gets crazy sometimes.

AOII_LB93 · #6 08-29-2002, 01:16 AM

Precisely what I mean AEPhi....and as far as I know, suiciding is being discouraged on my campus, which I personally disagree with, because if you feel that strongly that you wouldn't even consider another house, then you should suicide and not give other houses "false hopes."

breathesgelatin · #7 10-28-2002, 01:04 AM

ahhhh!! carnation, I SOOO agree. I don't understand why some schools have almost every group at or near quota, and many women not receiving bids, and WON'T add a group, and then some schools have the problem you described--adding a group when some chapters are already in trouble! It seems to me the latter group should work on improving overall Greek image and unity, not expanding, while the first should try to expand and diversify the Greek system while still remaining exclusive!

MSKKG · #8 12-20-2002, 04:23 PM

I don't know anything about a green book, but in the middle of 2001 recruitment at the University of South Carolina, the Theta chapter decided to relinquish its charter. I'm not sure about the other groups, but the Kappas were allowed to invite back a number larger than was previously set. What a mess--we had to basically go through the whole list to see who was eligible to be invited back!

Who knows what the numbers would have been had the Theta chapter relinquished its charter before recruitment. What a sad day when any chapter closes!

Also, I think USC is considering adding another sorority in 2004. Not everyone is at total or at quota--I don't like the idea. This new group might be at a disadvantage since most of the groups will be in a house by then. I could go on and on about the Greek Life office at USC, but I better not!

Lindz928 · #9 10-23-2002, 01:39 AM

It seems like things at my school are a little different.... We have a chapter total here (it's 175), but there are only 2 sororities under that. All of the other chapters (there are 11 total) are close to 200, or over 200, one is even about 250! Chapter total on my campus is basically a number that doesn't mean anything unless you are under it, and then it's just the goal to recruit to.

We also don't have anything that guarantees a PNM will get a bid. Some girls are always cross-cut, but this year there were only 15 who were, and quota was somewhere around 45 or 50.

Our system is a little screwed up, and it kind of sucks for smaller chapters. They also don't seem to care about certain chapters, because a couple aren't doing as well as they could be, yet they are inviting another sorority to campus starting next fall!!! I have to say I'm not too thrilled about the idea of doing that when all of the chapters are not doing as well as they should be.

Lindz928 · #10 10-27-2002, 04:56 PM

That's not exactly true.... This is one of the ways that our system is screwed up. If we add another chapter, it diesn't mean that every house will become smaller in numbers. It means that the biggest houses, the ones that are considered "the best" will keep pulling in the bigger numbers, and the smaller chapters will suffer even more. The big chapters at my school are more concerned with themselves than they are will the greek system as a whole sometimes.

There may have only been 40 or 50 girls who got bids on your campus, but I would be willing to bet that you have a smaller greek system and a smaller school. I go to a school that has 45,000 students, and we are trying to make the greek system bigger, which is why rrecruitment numbers are so important. My only issue is that I think we should make sure that all of the chapters we have now are strong enough and on the same level as the other chapters before we worry about inviting another chapter to colonize.

It is just very frustrating when you think that the greek system that is supposed to be supporting the chapters is more worried about expanding and getting bigger than they are about the chapters they have now.

Lindz928 · #11 10-28-2002, 12:09 PM

Carnation, you put perfectly into words what I was thinking. It is VERY frustrating for me. I am our chapter's panhellenic delegate, so I see what is going on and I don't know if there is anything my chapter can do about it. The new chapter was supposed to come to campus this past fall recruitment, but the numbers were so low last year (2001), that it was decided in panhel to put it off until we could see how this year's numbers were. And this is what I remember them saying at the panhel mtng that decided this.... We will invite the new chapter pending next year's (2002) recruitment numbers, and we will revote on whether we think the other chapter should be invited based on those numbers. Well, we never revoted, because I know my chapter would have voted no.

I would really like to know what my chapter could do about this, or if there is anything that we can do. AEPhi, what you said almost happened to your chapter is exactly what I am worried about. While our greek system might be bigger, it is relatively the same. Chapter total at my campus is 175, and quota for the chapters in recruitment every year is usually somewhere around 50. My chapter has been making huge improvements in the last couple of years, and I want to see that continue. I know that if we have the support of the rest of panhel on our campus, we can become just as strong or stronger than the other chapters that are here. But, just like Carnation said, I feel almost like we have been written off by those in charge. They say they support us, but they seem to do nothing to show it.

I may be completely off in what is going on, and I may be overreacting, but I don't think so. If someone has any advise, please let me know. Thanks alot!!

fsu24DZ · #12 12-23-2002, 12:26 AM

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oceanphi01 · #13 11-19-2002, 11:53 PM

Yes, it does depend on the amount of women that go through formal recruitment. It also depends on how many COB's you give out throughout the semester to get to total. That's the only way I can see anyone going above the quota set for formal recruitment.

exlurker · #14 01-19-2004, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by DolphinChicaDDD
Hey all-

I have a few questions; some of them may be basic, but bear with me...its the first time my sorority is particiapting in formal rush. I'm the Panhel delegate, so everyone keeps comming to me with questions- and I left my Green Book at school!!!

Ok, when we make a 1st choice bid list, do we fill the list until quota? IE- quota is 20. Do we list 20 girls, in alphabetical order, then place the other girls on the second bid list?

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DolphinChicaDDD,

Best wishes with recruitment! When it comes to creating your first and second lists, you will also want to be sure you follow Tri Delta's legacy policy (if any legacies attended your pref parties). That policy is stated on the HQ web site, in the recruitment section, and it could affect the arrangement of the second list. Your alumna advisers and regional / national representatives / officers should be able to assist you, of course.

Again, all the best!

vandy_violet · #15 04-16-2003, 12:08 AM

Has anyone else heard of a "sophomore bonus"? We used to have it and are getting rid of it for next year. I rushed as a sophomore but didn't know about it until after, but basically you can have freshmen girls up to quota, and then a certain number of additional sophomores if you want. It has to do with the fact that we have an old Southern system and 99% of girls are placed as freshmen.