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Originally posted by aurora_borealis
I am sorry that you don't agree with my opinion or ideas. I would be more open to discussion without the profanity and ad hominem attacks. If anyone would like to discuss the issue, without name calling, ridicule, and emotional pleas, I will be happy to discuss it.
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I accept this challenge, b/c I don't really think you have a realistic rock to stand on. Sorry.
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Originally posted by aurora_borealis
I don't think continued misinformation and lack of knowledge on swastikas, nor the removal of preNazi swastikas is the best way to deal with the situation. It isn't "an exceptionally minor symbol to a subset of the Native American population", please research and realize it is not "exceptionally minor" to many groups of North America and the world. The symbol ceased to be the same once Hitler changed it for his purposes. It will only continue to be associated with hate, if there isn't education on the subject.
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This is quite simple:
The swastika will always continue to be a symbol of Nazi Germany. I do understand your point of it being 'flipped' over a horizontal axis - however, no amount of twisting, turning, or etc will remove the association with Nazi Germany. I don't get how you can profess the continued association with Native American symbolism, while downplaying the Nazi connotation (and, in fact, denotation) - I feel you're missing that key facet, which shows an implicit flaw in your reasoning.
Education is great, but it DOES NOT remove the connotative elements present to Jews worldwide.
Your argument about it being a 'completely different symbol' misses what has already been pointed out: sure, it's turned around, but it was directly taken from the original symbol. You cannot argue this fact; as such, the original symbol will carry any later connotation put on it - and, in fact, this will become DENOTATION.
It simplly has to go from any public building, out of respect for an entire culture - the antiparallel of your argument that it can be used to promote respect for a culture. Guess what? The former dominates the latter in terms of what is appropriate in public places. Sorry, but that's just how it has to be.
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Originally posted by aurora_borealis
As for Arts & Crafts that was a general term to encompass decorative items that fall in that category. Blankets, masks, pottery, jewelry, and such, not for religious or spiritual purposes. If there is a better term, please let me know.
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No better term is needed - I feel it indicative of the fatal flaw in your reasoning (and, in fact, your proposed solution):
It fails Occam's Razor utterly, completely, almost by definition.
Until you can address that key point, by showing how it overcomes the simplest solution (which I personally don't feel is possible), then you can argue until you're blue in the face, but it's still idyllic tripe.
PLEASE NOTE that terms like "Idyllic tripe" are NOT cuts on you, are NOT ad hominem attacks . . . it's still valid for argumentation purposes (especially for our, or rather your, purposes).
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