Ex-Gang Members?

[FeeFee]

Originally posted by AXJules
I completely understand that sometimes people don't have a choice, and a gang is really the only way they can stay safe and alive. But at the same time, it's not my fault they were in that situation. Regardless of HOW they joined, they are still associated with people who have no regard for laws or respect for others.

Well, obviously it wasn't their fault neither, so why blame them for their unfortunate situation???

Sistermadly - I give you a big 2 thumbs up for your last statement. I understand EXACTLY where you are coming from.
^5

[cash78mere]

Originally posted by Rudey
Who is arguing about whether white gangs exist?

-Rudey

that was not the point of my post. i didn't say anyone was arguing about it. you are always so quick to jump to conclusions.

i knew a lot of gang members and no, would not want them in my sorority. geez.

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
Everyone's saying that they KNOW who they are bringing into their organizations when in actuality you may not be 100%. You have women/men coming to your chapter from all around the world and you have no idea what they did prior to coming to your university. And unless you ASK her/him specifically "do you have an illegal activity in your past" (and even then they might deny it) you'll never know.

Not all groups rely on only the "testimony" (for lack of a better word) of potential members on their worthiness to be a member. We have recs, a lot of alumnae with open eyes, etc. For someone to get away with somethng like this, a lot of people would have to be lying for them, and in a case where people may be being watched by those they don't even know are an alum, it would be hard to find a good reason for those "strangers" (to the PNM) to get them to lie.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by Ginger
Not all groups rely on only the "testimony" (for lack of a better word) of potential members on their worthiness to be a member. We have recs, a lot of alumnae with open eyes, etc. For someone to get away with somethng like this, a lot of people would have to be lying for them, and in a case where people may be being watched by those they don't even know are an alum, it would be hard to find a good reason for those "strangers" (to the PNM) to get them to lie.

How would those people know if they didn't ask the PNM or run a background check on them?

they can be teachers, family friends, parents of other students that they went to high school with, co-workers, you name it. You may never know who's an alum of a group that's in your life if they never mention it. Just look at some of the posts on "Southern Rush" (not to bring up that old horse), but alumnae often keep their eyes on local girls in order to make recommendations to their collegiate chapters.

Example: If the younger sister of a high school friend of mine decides to rush, and I know that she was doing all kinds of drugs, sleeping around, or even running with a gang (as is the subject of this thread), you can be sure I'd tell my group about it. This girl probably doesn't know I exist, but I know she exists. See where I'm going with this?

[GeekyPenguin]

Ginger is making a lot of valid points.

I come from a very small chapter, where nearly everybody is from a suburb of the two major cities in Wisconsin, or another one of the suburbs. When I joined, three of the girls in my pledge class were from the same town as an active sister, another went to high school with an active sister, and the rest of the girls were from neighboring suburbs of Madison. We know where these girls are from and how they grew up, and we know they aren't/weren't part of gangs. Gangs did not exist in the towns where we grew up. You can spew all you want about how there are white gangs, and maybe there are, but not out here in BFE, Wisconsin.

If, for whatever reason, some girl had been a member of a gang, and lied to us about it, her membership would likely be terminated. I don't care if you made mistakes in our youth, I think that reflects poorly on you as a member. There are opportunities I will be denied in life because of poor choices I made, and that's something you have to deal with.

[Intense1920]

Originally posted by SATX*APhi
Yep, I've someone turn purple, more of a violet color, but it wasn't cute.

And I have seen a man who has had himself tattoed to look like a tiger -- orange and black stripes.

I can't think of anyone green, but the point is, smarty pants, if they are/were in a gang, I don't give a flying squirrel what anybody looks like, where they come from, what degree(s) they may or not have, or what color they are, but I will not be in favor of them joining my sisterhood.

I don't think Epitome was being smart. She was just asking a question to lighten up the thread.

[Munchkin03]

Ginger and GP's posts, although very valid, apply more to smaller, more insular Greek systems where most of the girls come from the same area, everyone knows their business, etc. Even a larger Greek system in the same state may have different issues.

At schools that attract a broader range of women, it's really hard to know their stories before they arrive on campus for Recruitment. We rarely had more than a few sisters from the same state--let alone the same small town! Very rarely do we receive recommendations, so we used the semester before Recruitment to gauge whether or not interested women were suitable for our sisterhood.

Basically, we let them start college with a clean slate.

[Rudey]

So I guess the question is no longer would you let a gang member into your chapter?

This is just the thread where we talk about how gang members are going to get in because you can't stop them and well if you don't want them it doesn't matter.

I still haven't found a taker for the rapist, molestor, and the chick that shot a store clerk. They desperately want to join some of your forgiving chapters Anyone want some?

-Rudey

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Rudey
So I guess the question is no longer would you let a gang member into your chapter?

This is just the thread where we talk about how gang members are going to get in because you can't stop them and well if you don't want them it doesn't matter.

I still haven't found a taker for the rapist, molestor, and the chick that shot a store clerk. They desperately want to join some of your forgiving chapters Anyone want some?

-Rudey

I've said YES I would take an ex gang member and NO I wouldn't take an active gang member. As far as the "rapist, molestor, and the chick that shot a store clerk," have these people been through therapy of some sort...for that matter, are they currently in prison? And, come to think of it, how many date rapes occur on college campuses and how many occur within the Greek system? So, it would seem that someone is taking rapists.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
I've said YES I would take an ex gang member and NO I wouldn't take an active gang member. As far as the "rapist, molestor, and the chick that shot a store clerk," have these people been through therapy of some sort...for that matter, are they currently in prison? And, come to think of it, how many date rapes occur on college campuses and how many occur within the Greek system? So, it would seem that someone is taking rapists.

The difference between a date rapist and a rapist is usually that someone doesn't know and that's why it happens on the date. Again, it seems you had difficulty answering the question of would you take them and made it into one of how do you know so you should.

OK the rapist, molestor, and chick that shot the store clerk were all in gangs...gave it up around the prime age of say 19. Yeah they served a little time but not much since really it all happened when they were juveniles. So now they show up at your door and you'll take them?

-Rudey

[ChaosDST]

Originally posted by SATX*APhi
No. Wrong. I view ANYONE who is/was a member of a gang as being THE criminals of America. I don't care if you are red, purple, white, green, black, or striped!

Too bad YOUR view on this isn't the majority view. I applaud YOU, though.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Rudey
The difference between a date rapist and a rapist is usually that someone doesn't know and that's why it happens on the date. Again, it seems you had difficulty answering the question of would you take them and made it into one of how do you know so you should.

OK the rapist, molestor, and chick that shot the store clerk were all in gangs...gave it up around the prime age of say 19. Yeah they served a little time but not much since really it all happened when they were juveniles. So now they show up at your door and you'll take them?

-Rudey

If those people have been through therapy and cleared of any mental issues and if they have served their time and shown marked improvement, I'd consider them. I wouldn't just take them, but I'd consider them. I'm sure there are certain people on this forum who have a "past" but I would never ask them to divulge when they are representing their organizations. These people have made an obvious change in their lives and may or may not have mentioned that to their brothers/sisters. A LOT can happen as a juvenile offender than no one knows about.

[SATX*APhi]

Originally posted by Intense1920
I don't think Epitome was being smart. She was just asking a question to lighten up the thread.

How do you ask a question to lighten up a thread if you are not being smart?

[SATX*APhi]

Originally posted by ChaosDST
Too bad YOUR view on this isn't the majority view. I applaud YOU, though.

I never said it was the view of the majority, and I know you never said I did either.

I've stated my opinion and that's that.