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Old 03-02-2004, 05:37 PM
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Poor people can't have children

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/02/national/02CUST.html

Evidently if you don't have money, you're not entitled to a child.

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Old 03-02-2004, 05:52 PM
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Wow, those people are evil.
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Old 03-02-2004, 05:56 PM
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<rant>

Mark my words, "for the children" is the fastest route to tyrany.

"But we're doing this for the children..."

We're supposed to be a nation of laws.

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Old 03-02-2004, 11:48 PM
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"To me, if Casey truly loved her daughter, she would leave her with us," Mrs. Baker said.

As a mother of two daughters, I can state unequivocally that this woman is full of, well, poop. What a sanctimonious witch!
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Old 03-02-2004, 11:55 PM
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Why would a poor people want to have a child in America today if they can't afford to give that child an economically secure 22 years?
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Old 03-03-2004, 12:48 AM
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Why would a poor people want to have a child in America today if they can't afford to give that child an economically secure 22 years?
Oprah Winfrey started out in a "poor" family as a child, look where she is today.

JKRowling was on welfare when she started writing Harry Potter. I will trade bank accounts with her anyday.

Sure it does not happen that a child grows to be a billionaire very often...but it has happened.
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Old 03-03-2004, 10:13 AM
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The kid's 5 now and is probably old enough to be well aware of cultural clashes. Would she even LIKE China? Another question: What if the family that took the child was a Chinese American (whether Christian or not. I'm not sure if religion has anything to do with it) family? Would there be such a battle?
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Old 03-03-2004, 01:18 PM
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Would she even LIKE China?
That's not the point. It doesn't matter if she would like China or not. She belongs with her parents, not some rich people trying to manipulate the system so they can basically buy her.
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Old 03-03-2004, 01:20 PM
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OK, but what if her parents can't provide enough for her? Just because her parents claim that they have the right jobs, etc doesn't mean that they do. Besides, I think the foster parents will give her better polish than her parents who seem to be anti-religion.
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Old 03-03-2004, 01:26 PM
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OK, but what if her parents can't provide enough for her? Just because her parents claim that they have the right jobs, etc doesn't mean that they do. Besides, I think the foster parents will give her better polish than her parents who seem to be anti-religion.
There is no law saying that people have to have a certain economic status in order to love their children. Even if they can't give her every material thing or "polish" they can give her love and attention. They are her parents and it's their right to do so.
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Old 03-03-2004, 01:31 PM
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OK, but what if her parents can't provide enough for her? Just because her parents claim that they have the right jobs, etc doesn't mean that they do. Besides, I think the foster parents will give her better polish than her parents who seem to be anti-religion.
I take great offense to this assuming that those with religion are better equipped to raise children. This is just has bad to say that poor parents can't raise their children to be respectable, responsible adults.
I was raised in a non-religious household. While I wasn't completely without it, it was never a focus of my rearing.
We have no idea that the birth parents are anti-religious. Maybe they would prefer her child not be raised as a christian. They might very well practice a religion of their own.
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Old 03-03-2004, 01:48 PM
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If it's about money then the uber rich 0.5% of the country should have the right to have kids and any middle-class to upper-middle class families who pretend they come from money will be sadly surprised.

-Rudey
--Also given the fact of China's growth, lower costs, etc. I doubt that living in China would be so awful
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Old 03-03-2004, 01:50 PM
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I take great offense to this assuming that those with religion are better equipped to raise children. This is just has bad to say that poor parents can't raise their children to be respectable, responsible adults.
I was raised in a non-religious household. While I wasn't completely without it, it was never a focus of my rearing.
We have no idea that the birth parents are anti-religious. Maybe they would prefer her child not be raised as a christian. They might very well practice a religion of their own.

I highly doubt that they practice any form of religion. The communist government in China doesn't exactly belive in religion, and many churches there are underground. A guy I know currently dates a girl whose parents are from the mainland, and he as told me that the girl's parents hate the fact that he's Christian more than the fact that he is white. The parents saying that they don't want "white Christians" raising their child somewhat implies that they believe that even non-white Christians are "bad" (especially Asian ones as they're "sell outs".)
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Old 03-03-2004, 01:59 PM
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I highly doubt that they practice any form of religion.
I think Lady Pi Phi's point would be "so what?" While I don't totally agree, a lot of people would argue that religion is not a relevant argument in who will raise a child better.

Assuming that parents who aren't "religious" will be worse (or better) parents is a matter of contention.
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Old 03-03-2004, 02:03 PM
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I think the girl's parents also sound a little racist when they made that comment. I think I'd be grateful that a nice family would be able to give my kid a good life, something that I may not be able to do myself. Even though I came from a comfortable family, I often wished that I was sent to live with someone who would be able to give me "good polish", something that my parents didn't really give me for some odd reason.
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