Related to the 'First Name Basis' Thread

[MSKKG]

Dr. Elizabeth Blackwell got angry at her SIL for not taking her husband's last name (Dr. Blackwell's brother). She said something along the lines of that she didn't understand why a woman wouldn't take the name of the man she had chosen (husband) instead of keeping the name of the man she had not (father).

[aephi alum]

Originally posted by Taualumna
Why is it that so many modern women who DO change their names to their husband's refuse to be Mrs. Hubbyfirst Hubbylast? Before the days of "Ms", this was used only for DIVORCEES! I think taking the husband's first name is part of it if you take on his last.

As I understand it, "Mrs." means "wife of" - so you're right, the "correct" usage would be "Mr. and Mrs. John Smith" - John Smith and his wife.

But I have an identity beyond being my husband's wife. I am a professional with my own career. I have my own social circle. I have my own interests and hobbies. I love my husband dearly, but I am more than simply his wife. I chose to take his last name because I love him, because it's distinctive, and because I'm not fond of my maiden name... but I took his last name, not his first.

I don't get my knickers in a twist if, say, a wedding invitation comes addressed to Mr. and Mrs. Hisfirst Hislast, but I insist that on any mailing lists I'm on, I'm Ms. Myfirst Hislast, or if it's something addressed to both of us, it's Hisfirst and Myfirst Hislast.

I don't know what I would have done if I'd lived in the days before Ms. was in widespread usage.

[twhrider13]

I personally prefer "Ms." for my own usage. If I ever get married--and that's a big IF--I just can't see myself as being Mrs. twhrider13's husband's name.

Besides, I've had all kinds of difficulties with my name my entire life! My name is Miranda Leigh, but no one, not even my parents actually call me that. I've always been Randi. Teachers, for some reason, can't grasp the fact that my name is not Miranda, and cashiers at the grocery store can't figure out that "Randi" on my checks is short for "Miranda" on my drivers' license. I've even been called Mr. twhrider13 before by people who couldn't figure out that "Randi" is a feminine spelling. I even spelled my own last name wrong when I signed my learner's permit when I was 15. So with all those name problems, if I ever changed my title and/or last name, I could never get it right anyway! I'll just have to stick to what works.

I'd also like to point out as a side note that here in the "hills of Alabama," Miss, Ms., and Mrs. are all pronounced the same way--"Mizzzzzzz," so no one can actually hear the difference anyway!

[honeychile]

Originally posted by twhrider13

I'd also like to point out as a side note that here in the "hills of Alabama," Miss, Ms., and Mrs. are all pronounced the same way--"Mizzzzzzz," so no one can actually hear the difference anyway!

...Which is probably why the women's movement went to Ms. in the first place - in many areas, it's hard to differentiate the pronounciation!

[polarpi]

When I was still planning on becoming an elementary teacher, I didn't want my students to be confused by my last name, because I do get kinda upset when people call me by just one of my last names (I'm a hyphenated lastname right now and probably will be when I get married, as well, but that's another story in itself). I asked my kids in the first class I was in (kindergartners) to call me Miss Jennie, which I have absolutely no problem with. My first graders and third graders both called me Miss Lastname, which was okay, but I could see that as they were older and had more experience with calling teachers by their full names (even though mine was still a mouthful for them!)

Personally, I prefer being called Miss, because I too do not like to be called "Miz (Ms)" Lastname, and on formal things (like invitations and Christmas cards[!]) I will use Miss for people around my age who aren't married, Ms for those who are divorced/widowed or an older unmarried woman, and Mr. & Mrs. Hisfirstname Hislastname for married couples. Otherwise, if I'm writing a friend, I usually just use the friend's first name and last name. Ma'am makes me feel old, and while I'm in my lower-midtwenties, I don't think I'm of the age where I need to be ma'amed, even though I do understand it's a term of respect. I'd rather be called Miss A-D or something to that effect by people I don't know and either Miss Jennie or just Jennie by those I'm friends with and their children.

[kappaloo]

Originally posted by polarpi
Ms for those who are divorced/widowed or an older unmarried woman

Careful when refering to a widow as 'Ms'. Many widows continue to use Mrs Hislastname for years after being widow 'in tribute' to their husband. At least in my experience.

In fact, I know of a woman who was widowed at a very young age and then remarried years later who then went by Mrs. FirstHusbandLastName-SecondHusbandLastName.