What is THIS?????

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by smiley21
Sugar and Spice- where did you get your quotes from? I actually heard adams, franklin,.....were all christians. whether they are or not is really the point anymore. why should 'under God' be taken out to make non believers happy? then you would make the believers unhappy.....no one wins...

Not all were christians. Franklin was a noted Deist, for example. It's not a matter of making people happy, though, smiley - it's a matter of doing the right thing according to the principles of our nation.

Originally posted by smiley21
if we are changing the pledge, can we get a new dollar bill, a new constitution.....better yet let us go back in time to 1776 and have america founded on man made principles

You mean like those truths we hold to be self-evident? Like John Locke's "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Property" (that we perverted to "Happiness" to keep slavery viable)?

Look, the dollar bill issue is moot, it's different than putting people in a situation where they are made uncomfortable making a declarative statement about God. As far as 'man-made' principles . . . Well, I think I addressed it, but if not I'll go further into how the principles of our founding had nothing to do with divine providence.

Originally posted by smiley21
even if you did take out 'under God' there is still the problem with 'liberty and justice for all' where is the justice in this case.

The 'justice' exists in the responsibility of the majority to protect the interests of the minority. That's the bottom line.