The collapse of American civilization as we know it

[James]

I think that everyone is essentially correct if we put all the ideas together. Although I don't agree about closing the borders.

Unless there is a major collapse, natural disaster, war etc. the US will continue.

But it will change. Shift over time in small ways that tend to equal big ways.

The immediate trend I see, post 9/11, is more laws on the books that will affect civil liberties, prviate rights will be more restricted and technology is being used more fluidly to monitor us.

For example, ever see a patrol car just kind of slowly rolling through a parking lot? A lot of times he is running everyone's plates on his lap top to see their status. And then he'll wait for them to leave and pull them over.

It will be interesting to see the changes in the states as Law Enforcement finds ways to use their new powers.

Getting back to the original point.

The US will have fallen when the gap between what we say our values are, the Bill of Rights (Freedoms) and the Constitution, and what is actually happening becomes so great the original idea of the country has been lost.

In the name of whatever cause.

What is that quote?

Your actions speak so loudly I can't hear what you are saying?