Woman denounces the practice of "Hogging" at fraternities

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by carnation

I heard about this 50 years ago but it also included parties at dormitories. No idea if it was true.
ETA: back then, they were called Pig in a Poke parties. Would the men in my coed dorm that had numerous social activities have done that? Likely.

Originally Posted by 33girl

This “article” looks more like a PR piece for this Tik Tok person than evidence of a widespread issue. They mentioned one chapter of one fraternity. No, this is nothing new.............This is yet another tired Greeks Are Bad piece because those get the clicks.

When I was enrolled in college, I had the time one day to read a magazine article regarding how collegiate youth were mispending their days by illegally drinking, dancing provocatively, cutting their hair in abominable styles, and generally thumbing their collective noses at authority figures like Mom, Pop, and their professors.

Truth be told, the article was from 1927 and I was reading it in the 1980s. But the gist of the 1927 article's words described a general 'problem' with collegians that was not and still is not new.

Human nature is what it is. Twenty years from now, a girl being born today may discover "hogging" and find it so reprehensible as to post her discovery on Meta. Then someone still alive from within The Carnation Nation can again post that it's basically existed forever and a day.

[ASTalumna06]

You won't hear me arguing that this article is journalism at its finest, but it just feels like there's a lot of whataboutism all over this site recently and a want to deny that there are any issues within the Greek system.

[carnation]

I don't deny that stuff like this exists in the Greek system (although I do doubt that Pi Phis have "hogged"). On the other hand, some of these anti-Greek writers choose to ignore problems that are in dorms, marching bands, honoraries, and ROTC units. Some of these problems are VERY bad in the groups I just mentioned.

Do they think that binge drinking and date rape would disappear if the Greek system did? Ridiculous. But writing about those problems in non-Greek groups wouldn't get as many readers...

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

You won't hear me arguing that this article is journalism at its finest, but it just feels like there's a lot of whataboutism all over this site recently and a want to deny that there are any issues within the Greek system.

Thank you for posting the article, navane. It is a reminder we ought to warn our daughters to beware this type of event, and call on our sons to never engage in it.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

You mean my posts that are news articles about things that are actually happening in Greek life? Why do we have a hazing and risk management board if we don't want things related to those topics posted?

I post articles that are suggested to me by Google based on things I typically read. Greek life topics come up frequently. I post on both the good and the bad.

And navane started this thread in particular. I just find it curious that when these things have come up recently, many are quick to gloss over them and dismiss them. And not just on the topic of this thread.

But hey, I'll only post the good stuff going forward if that's what this site demands. Although recently, there really isn't that much going on here besides adding to the Highest Point Count Ever Thread and playing the Song Name Game. ::shrugs::

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Thank you for posting the article, navane. It is a reminder we ought to warn our daughters to beware this type of event, and call on our sons to never engage in it.

TBH before I proofread my post above I had erroneously expressed my thanks to you, ASTalumna06, on the mere assumption the OP had been yours and after having previously read your multiple posts regarding sad greek life subjects.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

What are nonmembers of ABC fraternity supposed to do when a member(s) of their Kappa Beta chapter hazes some of their pledges? I trust the alumni leadership of ABC to handle it, just as I trust the leadership of my own org and your org to do the same if members step out of line, so I question why you repeatedly post such things.

Don’t blame Google. Google suggests these articles because you search that subject. Google doesn’t make you post them here numerous times a day-that’s your choice.

As far as GC members dismissing or not engaging with subjects you deem worthy of discussion, perhaps folks aren’t interested. Perhaps they are officers or advisors to their own org and they concentrate on keeping their own houses in order. Perhaps it is because GCers, like many in America, feel tired and overwhelmed with the ever evolving COVID info and protocols, rising prices, bickering in Congress, just life in general, and don’t want to come here and see multiple negative posts about the stupid/mean acts a small percentage of Greeks commit, when they can’t do anything about it.

I didn't "blame" Google. It suggests articles including the words "fraternity" and "sorority" and "Greek" etc. That's what I post. I don't go out seeking risk management and hazing issues on the regular. Again, I'll refrain from sharing if it's going to make everyone upset and no one cares to engage.

Originally Posted by 33girl

Any “article” that starts out as this one did can in no way be called journalism, news or even a human interest story. There’s not even an author’s name attached to it, which I’m not surprised by because I don’t know anyone who would willingly attach their name to this PR piece/garbage.

Sharing things that are legitimate and well written is one thing, sharing garbage is another. Just throwing anything regarding Greek life up here without critically assessing it helps no one.

I didn't share this piece.

Originally Posted by Cheerio

TBH before I proofread my post above I had erroneously expressed my thanks to you, ASTalumna06, on the mere assumption the OP had been yours and after having previously read your multiple posts regarding sad greek life subjects.

OK? Then sure, you should have expressed your thanks to navane for this.

[FSUZeta]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

You won't hear me arguing that this article is journalism at its finest, but it just feels like there's a lot of whataboutism all over this site recently and a want to deny that there are any issues within the Greek system.

I haven't seen anyone denying that the Greek system is imperfect, just that it is an unfortunate occurrence among this age group, not exclusive to Greeks. Your recent and frequent posts might mislead people coming here to learn about Greek life, to believe that folks who participate in Greek life all have pointy ears, pitchforks, and roast small children for lunch.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

I haven't seen anyone denying that the Greek system is imperfect, just that it is an unfortunate occurrence among this age group, not exclusive to Greeks. Your recent and frequent posts might mislead people coming here to learn about Greek life, to believe that folks who participate in Greek life all have pointy ears, pitchforks, and roast small children for lunch.

You mean my posts that are news articles about things that are actually happening in Greek life? Why do we have a hazing and risk management board if we don't want things related to those topics posted?

I post articles that are suggested to me by Google based on things I typically read. Greek life topics come up frequently. I post on both the good and the bad.

And navane started this thread in particular. I just find it curious that when these things have come up recently, many are quick to gloss over them and dismiss them. And not just on the topic of this thread.

But hey, I'll only post the good stuff going forward if that's what this site demands. Although recently, there really isn't that much going on here besides adding to the Highest Point Count Ever Thread and playing the Song Name Game. ::shrugs::

[carnation]

We do recognize that some Greeks need to cut the crap, to put it mildly. It's just that some of those articles are either poorly written clickbait or they don't admit that said problems, such as binge drinking and campus rape, are horrible not only in Greek life but across the whole spectrum of college students.

[FSUZeta]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

You mean my posts that are news articles about things that are actually happening in Greek life? Why do we have a hazing and risk management board if we don't want things related to those topics posted?

I post articles that are suggested to me by Google based on things I typically read. Greek life topics come up frequently. I post on both the good and the bad.

And navane started this thread in particular. I just find it curious that when these things have come up recently, many are quick to gloss over them and dismiss them. And not just on the topic of this thread.

But hey, I'll only post the good stuff going forward if that's what this site demands. Although recently, there really isn't that much going on here besides adding to the Highest Point Count Ever Thread and playing the Song Name Game. ::shrugs::

What are nonmembers of ABC fraternity supposed to do when a member(s) of their Kappa Beta chapter hazes some of their pledges? I trust the alumni leadership of ABC to handle it, just as I trust the leadership of my own org and your org to do the same if members step out of line, so I question why you repeatedly post such things.

Don’t blame Google. Google suggests these articles because you search that subject. Google doesn’t make you post them here numerous times a day-that’s your choice.

As far as GC members dismissing or not engaging with subjects you deem worthy of discussion, perhaps folks aren’t interested. Perhaps they are officers or advisors to their own org and they concentrate on keeping their own houses in order. Perhaps it is because GCers, like many in America, feel tired and overwhelmed with the ever evolving COVID info and protocols, rising prices, bickering in Congress, just life in general, and don’t want to come here and see multiple negative posts about the stupid/mean acts a small percentage of Greeks commit, when they can’t do anything about it.

[33girl]

Any “article” that starts out as this one did can in no way be called journalism, news or even a human interest story. There’s not even an author’s name attached to it, which I’m not surprised by because I don’t know anyone who would willingly attach their name to this PR piece/garbage.

Sharing things that are legitimate and well written is one thing, sharing garbage is another. Just throwing anything regarding Greek life up here without critically assessing it helps no one.