Indiana University Recruitment 2017

[axohyeah]

Originally Posted by shadokat

I know for a fact that while 1,650 PNMs started, only 1,270 ended up at bid matching. And 40% of those women didn't maximize their options on MRABA.

So does that mean approx 500 girls didn't maximize at preference? That seems crazy- does this happen at this scale at other schools? I know I sound like a broken record but this sounds like a tier problem to me.

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by axohyeah

So does that mean approx 500 girls didn't maximize at preference? That seems crazy- does this happen at this scale at other schools? I know I sound like a broken record but this sounds like a tier problem to me.

yes, that means 500 girls didn't maximize their options. And at this point, I'm just happy that it looks like about 92% of the women that went to preference received a bid (based on the numbers above).

Maybe I'm just jaded from IU recruitment, but I would rather the girls that go bidless be because THEY chose not to maximize rather than it being the fault of the chapters because quota was too low or whatever the complaint is that day.

I know the Rho Gammas were encouraging everyone to maximize but we all know how well 18-19 yr olds listen.

[axohyeah]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

yes, that means 500 girls didn't maximize their options. And at this point, I'm just happy that it looks like about 92% of the women that went to preference received a bid (based on the numbers above).

Maybe I'm just jaded from IU recruitment, but I would rather the girls that go bidless be because THEY chose not to maximize rather than it being the fault of the chapters because quota was too low or whatever the complaint is that day.

I know the Rho Gammas were encouraging everyone to maximize but we all know how well 18-19 yr olds listen.

Thank you and yes, agree 100% on all above.

[clemsongirl]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

yes, that means 500 girls didn't maximize their options. And at this point, I'm just happy that it looks like about 92% of the women that went to preference received a bid (based on the numbers above).

Maybe I'm just jaded from IU recruitment, but I would rather the girls that go bidless be because THEY chose not to maximize rather than it being the fault of the chapters because quota was too low or whatever the complaint is that day.

I know the Rho Gammas were encouraging everyone to maximize but we all know how well 18-19 yr olds listen.

Part of the reason that many girls may not have maximized is because they had three preference options instead of two. Per an RFM training I went to in December put on by NPC, NPC is moving towards two preference options no matter how many chapters a campus has in part because women are much less likely to be happy with receiving a bid from their third choice chapter if they have three choices to list.

I would guess than many of the women who did not maximize listed two chapters rather than just one, where if they'd only had two chapters to begin with they wouldn't have not maximized and that figure would be lower. It would also cut down on chapters inviting back women to their preference who would absolutely not accept a bid from that chapter and perhaps don't need to be at their preference event, if going to the three parties prior and then pref didn't change their opinion of that chapter.

I agree that PNMs run the risk of not getting a bid if they don't list all their options and shouldn't be rewarded for it, necessarily, but with a figure that high maybe that's something Indiana needs to look to. Disclaimer: I don't work at Indiana and only have information about it based on what I read here, but I could see this helping with those figures.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by clemsongirl

Part of the reason that many girls may not have maximized is because they had three preference options instead of two. Per an RFM training I went to in December put on by NPC, NPC is moving towards two preference options no matter how many chapters a campus has in part because women are much less likely to be happy with receiving a bid from their third choice chapter if they have three choices to list.

Students and parents can't have it both ways. IU changed from bed rush to their current system and added three sororities because people were SCREAMING too many women were being denied a bid. Come to find out all they really wanted was more open membership spaces in the popular houses.

So now NPC might deny that third pref house option on every campus no matter the number of sororities on campus, all in the name of having more women maximize options. How will denying a third pref house to PNMs (especially on a large campus) build-up the size of the smaller/alleged lower tier groups? And what does that say about panhellenic love and working together for the good of all campus NPC groups?

Why not just have a PNM come out and choose ONE house she wants for pref, and skip the niceties of learning to interact with people in a sorority you simply think you cannot stand?

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Students and parents can't have it both ways. IU changed from bed rush to their current system and added three sororities because people were SCREAMING too many women were being denied a bid. Come to find out all they really wanted was more open membership spaces in the popular houses.

So now NPC might deny that third pref house option on every campus no matter the number of sororities on campus, all in the name of having more women maximize options. How will denying a third pref house to PNMs (especially on a large campus) build-up the size of the smaller/alleged lower tier groups? And what does that say about panhellenic love and working together for the good of all campus NPC groups?

Why not just have a PNM come out and choose ONE house she wants for pref, and skip the niceties of learning to interact with people in a sorority you simply think you cannot stand?

This. all of this. They just wanted more spots in THOSE chapters. Did I mention, I love this post?????

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

This. all of this. They just wanted more spots in THOSE chapters. Did I mention, I love this post?????

Me too.

The other side of the coin that I would have argued at cg's RFM training is that if women are presented with only two options and are unenthused about both they're WAY more likely to not even go to sign their bid card. If there are three that's one more option that can at least get her to bid signing.

[FSUZeta]

Originally Posted by axohyeah

So does that mean approx 500 girls didn't maximize at preference? That seems crazy- does this happen at this scale at other schools? I know I sound like a broken record but this sounds like a tier problem to me.

It does not happen on that scale at most schools.

[33girl]

Can someone explain how they're doing QAs? I know they have to issue a minimum of 50 bids but since some groups set their quota higher aren't QAs kind of weird to have? I know they are supposed to help place as many women as possible but with so many different quotas and no set total it seems it would be more possible to manipulate it. Apologies if I missed a more detailed explanation.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Can someone explain how they're doing QAs? I know they have to issue a minimum of 50 bids but since some groups set their total higher aren't QAs kind of weird to have? I know they are supposed to help place as many women as possible but with so many different quotas and no set total it seems it would be more possible to manipulate it. Apologies if I missed a more detailed explanation.

QAs have nothing to do with total.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Titchou

QAs have nothing to do with total.

Grrr, I meant to say that some groups set their quotas higher (editing now). So that is not a thing anymore? One quota for all groups? I thought I saw somewhere that one of the groups set their quota in the 70s.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Grrr, I meant to say that some groups set their quotas higher (editing now). So that is not a thing anymore? One quota for all groups? I thought I saw somewhere that one of the groups set their quota in the 70s.

QAs are the women who do not match otherwise and who did not suicide. They are placed by the RFM specialist in chapters with preference to the smaller chapter. It's impossible to get a QA if you didn't make Q. It matters not what Q is as long as the chapter has made their Q. Understand now????

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Titchou

QAs are the women who do not match otherwise and who did not suicide. They are placed by the RFM specialist in chapters with preference to the smaller chapter. It's impossible to get a QA if you didn't make Q. It matters not what Q is as long as the chapter has made their Q. Understand now?

One question mark is sufficient

I guess it just seems odd because the quotas are different and from what I gather not entirely determined by rushee retention or chapter size.

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Can someone explain how they're doing QAs? I know they have to issue a minimum of 50 bids but since some groups set their total higher aren't QAs kind of weird to have? I know they are supposed to help place as many women as possible but with so many different quotas and no set total it seems it would be more possible to manipulate it. Apologies if I missed a more detailed explanation.

This year, there weren't a bunch of different quotas. Each group was told to expect to get between 50-55 women. Then after each group (hopefully) matched 54, they went back and offered each group quota additions. It was up to each group if they wanted to accept QAs and how many to accept.

Does that help?

[Sister Havana]

For comparison, here are statistics from 2012-2015:

2015
• 2,088 women registered
• 1,234 women participated in bid matching
• 1,104 received bids
• 130 women not matched in process
2014
• 1,905 women registered
• 1,319 women participated in bid matching
• 1,002 received bids
• 317 women not matched in process
2013
• 1,735 women registered
• 1,160 participated in bid matching
• 1,025 received bids
• 146 women not matched in process
2012
• 1,720 women registered
• 1,086 participated in bid matching
• 890 received bids
• 252 women were not matched throughout the process

(This is from an archived version of the IU Panhellenic Recruitment page.)