Acacia at Ohio U Sings Offensive Song, Gets Suspended

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Kevin

2) Doesn't investigating and suspending Acacia for this conduct have the effect of disempowering ADPi from acting collectively or as individuals in such a way that they are in control of their response? They have been collectively labeled as victims here when I doubt many of them would tell you they were victimized. The reporter was a member of ADPi, but some cub reporter clandestinely taking video of a fraternity as it made its serenade rounds.

Oh Kevin, you silly goose, these poor dears are so brainwashed by the patriarchy that they don't even realize they're being harassed. Thank God the PC police is here to tell them how awful their lives are and what to be offended by! They certainly couldn't figure it out on their own!!

[jolene]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh Kevin, you silly goose, these poor dears are so brainwashed by the patriarchy that they don't even realize they're being harassed. Thank God the PC police is here to tell them how awful their lives are and what to be offended by! They certainly couldn't figure it out on their own!!

I love you. <3 My college-aged self would have rolled my eyes and giggled about those poor idiots with my sisters. It would make for a funny haha moment later on at alumnae meetings. "Remember when those fools sang that song to us?"

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Gdimom1

As an attorney with a deep interest in the first amendment it makes me crazy when public universities do this. Student need to fight back and say that they can't be suspended or they will sue.

And these students / student groups will need to be sure to have a copy of the university's code of student conduct and code of student ethics in their hands when they speak to an attorney and want to sue.

Student groups operate as a guest on college campuses. Just like you would want someone out of your personal home if you felt they disobeyed your house rules, same thought applies to college campuses.

Originally Posted by jolene

I love you. <3 My college-aged self would have rolled my eyes and giggled about those poor idiots with my sisters. It would make for a funny haha moment later on at alumnae meetings. "Remember when those fools sang that song to us?"

The difference between "remember when" (back in the old days) and now, is that with cell phone videos and the internet, an incident will always be fresh. Memories fade and can become sweeter over time. Videos posted on the internet do not.

Over the past decade or so, colleges and universities have really turned into for-profit businesses. It can be really bad PR for a university to have students not represent the school in a positive light. As research funding from the government has become increasingly harder to attain, some schools have had to turn to the private / business sector for support. Universities need to show they have a squeaky clean image.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

The difference between "remember when" (back in the old days) and now, is that with cell phone videos and the internet, an incident will always be fresh. Memories fade and can become sweeter over time. Videos posted on the internet do not.

And there's no rule that you have to record every blessed thing you do, let alone post it. I feel sorry for these kids who are seeing everything through a screen, instead of being truly present in their lives.

[Gdimom1]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

And these students / student groups will need to be sure to have a copy of the university's code of student conduct and code of student ethics in their hands when they speak to an attorney and want to sue.

Student groups operate as a guest on college campuses. Just like you would want someone out of your personal home if you felt they disobeyed your house rules, same thought applies to college campuses.




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No no and no. It's a little depressing how few people understand the first amendment. A PUBLIC University cannot decide Who is allowed to be a "guest in their home" based on the content of the speech. This is basic fundamental first amendment law. It's really sad that so few people understand their rights

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

And these students / student groups will need to be sure to have a copy of the university's code of student conduct and code of student ethics in their hands when they speak to an attorney and want to sue.

Attorney here. Your student Code of Conduct does not trump the United States Constitution and probably the State Constitution which physically owns the University.

http://ballotpedia.org/Article_I,_Ohio_Constitution

And if you care, there it is in black and white, the Constitution of the State which owns this University. And therein, both protections for speech and peaceful assembly. But the U.S. Constitution already has those, so at this point, this is just spiking the 'ol football.

The difference between "remember when" (back in the old days) and now, is that with cell phone videos and the internet, an incident will always be fresh. Memories fade and can become sweeter over time. Videos posted on the internet do not.

Videos lack context. This is what.. 7 seconds recorded by some cub reporter from the campus newspaper?

Over the past decade or so, colleges and universities have really turned into for-profit businesses. It can be really bad PR for a university to have students not represent the school in a positive light. As research funding from the government has become increasingly harder to attain, some schools have had to turn to the private / business sector for support. Universities need to show they have a squeaky clean image.

That's completely absurd.

Dear University, you were turned down for this grant because you failed to adequately punish the Acacia Fraternity members for their lewd serenade of the ADPis.

--I don't think that's how those things work.

[Gdimom1]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Attorney here. Your student Code of Conduct does not trump the United States Constitution and probably the State Constitution which physically owns the University.

http://ballotpedia.org/Article_I,_Ohio_Constitution

And if you care, there it is in black and white, the Constitution of the State which owns this University. And therein, both protections for speech and peaceful assembly. But the U.S. Constitution already has those...k.

Kevin. Aren't you always shocked that people don't realize this. I always am !

[sigmadiva]

The university also has a duty to maintain a hostile-free environment. Your free speech is my hostile environment.

Here is the code of student conduct for OSU. http://studentlife.osu.edu/csc/

My understanding from my adviser days was that GLOs formally recognized by the university are considered as "guests" on campus. Meaning, any action done by the GLO that is not in alignment with the school can be penalized, including being no longer recognized by the school. Thus, "kicked off campus".

Maybe these GLOs should fight the school and sue. Maybe they would win. But, that is just going to make it harder for the remaining GLOs to operate on campus.

If it comes down to the university being sued by every GLO, then it would be in the university's interest to no longer allow GLOs on campus.

You (the general you) really need to see the big picture. One incident of one chapter can have repercussions on all GLO chapters.

That is why I think PiKA nationals came out with their statement about themed parties.

A chapter who sues and wins the lawsuit wins the battle, but could loose the war by making it hard for other GLOs in the future.

And, maybe I am looking at this from a NPHC point of view. We generally have a very tight hand on our undergraduate chapters and members. It is nothing for us to expel individual members and pull chapter charters for conduct deemed unbecoming of the org.

You can find expelled members and chapters on our public website.http://www.sgrho1922.org/expulsions-suspensions

[33girl]

I'm sure that student code is nice and all, but this happened at Ohio U, not Ohio State.

And it's up to the supposedly offended party - the sorority - to voice their displeasure. We always hear "if a person feels they've been harassed/assaulted/victimized they have. This doesn't seem to go the other way - if people DON'T feel victimized, some nebshit feels the need to go over their heads and complain about it anyway, and pays no attention to what the "offended party" actually wants or what would make them happy.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Attorney here. Your student Code of Conduct does not trump the United States Constitution and probably the State Constitution which physically owns the University.

http://ballotpedia.org/Article_I,_Ohio_Constitution

And if you care, there it is in black and white, the Constitution of the State which owns this University. And therein, both protections for speech and peaceful assembly. But the U.S. Constitution already has those, so at this point, this is just spiking the 'ol football.



Videos lack context. This is what.. 7 seconds recorded by some cub reporter from the campus newspaper?



That's completely absurd.

Dear University, you were turned down for this grant because you failed to adequately punish the Acacia Fraternity members for their lewd serenade of the ADPis.

--I don't think that's how those things work.

You don't control public opinion.

And you're being naive to think actions don't have consequences.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

You don't control public opinion.

And you're being naive to think actions don't have consequences.

And you're being ridiculous if you think anyone cares that much about these things when awarding grants. Seriously, that's just dumb as hell.

[navane]

We had a fraternity come serenade our girls one night with a vulgar song which ended with them mooning the chapter. There were alumnae members in attendance who witnessed the whole she-bang.

The girls in this chapter are not prissy by any means; but, the fraternity's song and behavior was vulgar enough that the collegiate members were not amused. (Note: Maybe not so much "offended" as, "Uhm...ew. No.") Instead of filing a complaint with the university, they discussed the matter with the fraternity chapter directly, asking them to maybe think over their song choices next time and to please not expose themselves.

That fraternity really lost their respect. For a number of weeks after, whenever that fraternity's name was brought up, the girls would cringe or roll their eyes.