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[Allday12]

Originally Posted by thetalady

I hope that you are fully aware of the sentiment toward Greek organizations at Princeton. Freshmen are prohibited by the University from rushing or joining any sorority or fraternity. No matter how prestigious the campus may be, I cannot imagine a Greek organization would be very interested in going into such a hostile environment. It is also pretty clear that the Princeton administration would not welcome more Greek organizations.

Fraternities and Sororities at Princeton

Uh, I think you're wrong. There are already multiple Greek organizations here, some of them fairly recent. The University doesn't welcome or prohibit fraternities, they simply don't recognize frats and thus have no power over what the students do.

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by Allday12

Uh, I think you're wrong. There are already multiple Greek organizations here, some of them fairly recent. The University doesn't welcome or prohibit fraternities, they simply don't recognize frats and thus have no power over what the students do.

Yes, the University has quite a bit of power over what the students do in regards to fraternities and sororities. For instance, freshmen are not allowed to rush, pledge or attend any party hosted by a fraternity/ sorority.

The article cited states:

"In our deliberations we acknowledged the incompatibility of a fully developed Greek system with the social structure that has evolved at Princeton over more than 150 years and the awkwardness of the partial system that has grown up over the past 25 years."

Of course, I understand that many GLOs still exist at Princeton, including my own.

[clemsongirl]

Originally Posted by thetalady

Yes, the University has quite a bit of power over what the students do in regards to fraternities and sororities. For instance, freshmen are not allowed to rush, pledge or attend any party hosted by a fraternity/ sorority.

The article cited states:

"In our deliberations we acknowledged the incompatibility of a fully developed Greek system with the social structure that has evolved at Princeton over more than 150 years and the awkwardness of the partial system that has grown up over the past 25 years."

Of course, I understand that many GLOs still exist at Princeton, including my own.

I don't understand this. If these organizations are off-campus and not recognized by the university then how does the university have power to forbid freshmen from membership? I would also argue that forbidding freshmen from going simply increases the allure of doing that forbidden thing but that is a different kettle of fish.

[33girl]

They don't.

That article isn't policy of any sort, it's a study with a recommendation. They could also do a study that says Forever 21 clothes are crappily made and they recommend people don't buy them, and it would have the same amount of weight.

Even if freshmen were "disallowed" from joining an organization that has nothing to do with the school, all they have to do is exercise discretion and keep their mouths shut.

[sigmaceli]

I mean, TECHNICALLY from a higher ed perspective, if they really wanted to enforce freshmen joining and found out about it, the student code of conduct or honor code there could probably be applied to hold a student accountable.

But if I were the student conduct staff member who had to take time away from more important conduct cases to manage this, I probably wouldn't be too pleased.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by sigmaceli

I mean, TECHNICALLY from a higher ed perspective, if they really wanted to enforce freshmen joining and found out about it, the student code of conduct or honor code there could probably be applied to hold a student accountable.

But if I were the student conduct staff member who had to take time away from more important conduct cases to manage this, I probably wouldn't be too pleased.

Not to mention if I were the parent or student who had to pay an increased tuition because they hired extra people to manage it.

[thetalady]

Sure, that Code of Conduct that every Princeton student is required to adhere to can just be ignored.... no big deal. Except maybe for this....

Prohibited Activities
Freshmen may not affiliate with a fraternity or sorority. Affiliation includes but is not limited to: membership; "pledging" (i.e., participating in new member programming); participating in "rush" (i.e., formal recruitment); attending or participating in any activity sponsored by a fraternity or sorority; or contributing funds to a fraternity or sorority.

Any violation of this policy will be regarded as a serious matter. A student who engages in solicitation, as defined above, should expect to be suspended. A freshman who joins, pledges, or rushes a fraternity or sorority should expect to be suspended. A freshman who attends or participates in any other activity or event sponsored by a fraternity or sorority may be subject to a lesser penalty (e.g., disciplinary probation). All relevant facts and circumstances will be taken into account in determining the appropriate penalty.

http://www.princeton.edu/pub/rrr/part2/index.xml#comp22

[33girl]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Even if freshmen were "disallowed" from joining an organization that has nothing to do with the school, all they have to do is exercise discretion and keep their mouths shut.

I'd like to hear tales of people who have actually been suspended from Princeton because of this. I just searched and surprise, there is nothing online - and this is the kind of thing that the Dartmouth Review would do a 75-part series on. Perhaps these students really are brainy enough to not post every time they sneeze on Instagram.

And yeah, I'm sure nobody shacks to the point of annoyance, has a ferret or drinks underage in their dorm room, either. But if they do, I'm sure they get thrown out immediately.