New chapter

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by Allday12

To anyone who can help!!

Hey everyone, I'm sure this has been posted a million times so I'm sorry to annoy you. If these questions have been answered on here before can you please direct me to those threads. Anyway, I'm looking to start a new fraternity here on my campus (Princeton University) and I have reached out to a few national organizations who have expressed interest in my proposal. One thing I'm not clear about is the time it will require and the process that will follow. (I know it's a different process for different nationals but generally speaking here) I have a group of about 15 guys (frats are not that big on my campus, generally in the range of 25-40 kids). I know it would take time building a 'brotherhood' bond between the 15 of us and recruiting for our next PC but what else would I have to do... (there aren't many frats on this campus so there is definite growth potential, filling a PC shouldn't be too hard)

If anyone can shed light on the process, time commitment, etc. it would be greatly appreciated!!

I hope that you are fully aware of the sentiment toward Greek organizations at Princeton. Freshmen are prohibited by the University from rushing or joining any sorority or fraternity. No matter how prestigious the campus may be, I cannot imagine a Greek organization would be very interested in going into such a hostile environment. It is also pretty clear that the Princeton administration would not welcome more Greek organizations.

Fraternities and Sororities at Princeton

[33girl]

Princeton's pledge classes have continued to increase over the years in spite of the university's ridiculous views. Not to mention the intelligent and affluent student body. I'm sure there are multiple national fraternities who would be happy to have a chapter there. The non-involvement of the university also means that the national organization can run the colony as they see fit without any school administration horning in.

[Allday12]

Originally Posted by thetalady

I hope that you are fully aware of the sentiment toward Greek organizations at Princeton. Freshmen are prohibited by the University from rushing or joining any sorority or fraternity. No matter how prestigious the campus may be, I cannot imagine a Greek organization would be very interested in going into such a hostile environment. It is also pretty clear that the Princeton administration would not welcome more Greek organizations.

Fraternities and Sororities at Princeton

Uh, I think you're wrong. There are already multiple Greek organizations here, some of them fairly recent. The University doesn't welcome or prohibit fraternities, they simply don't recognize frats and thus have no power over what the students do.

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by Allday12

Uh, I think you're wrong. There are already multiple Greek organizations here, some of them fairly recent. The University doesn't welcome or prohibit fraternities, they simply don't recognize frats and thus have no power over what the students do.

Yes, the University has quite a bit of power over what the students do in regards to fraternities and sororities. For instance, freshmen are not allowed to rush, pledge or attend any party hosted by a fraternity/ sorority.

The article cited states:

"In our deliberations we acknowledged the incompatibility of a fully developed Greek system with the social structure that has evolved at Princeton over more than 150 years and the awkwardness of the partial system that has grown up over the past 25 years."

Of course, I understand that many GLOs still exist at Princeton, including my own.

[clemsongirl]

Originally Posted by thetalady

Yes, the University has quite a bit of power over what the students do in regards to fraternities and sororities. For instance, freshmen are not allowed to rush, pledge or attend any party hosted by a fraternity/ sorority.

The article cited states:

"In our deliberations we acknowledged the incompatibility of a fully developed Greek system with the social structure that has evolved at Princeton over more than 150 years and the awkwardness of the partial system that has grown up over the past 25 years."

Of course, I understand that many GLOs still exist at Princeton, including my own.

I don't understand this. If these organizations are off-campus and not recognized by the university then how does the university have power to forbid freshmen from membership? I would also argue that forbidding freshmen from going simply increases the allure of doing that forbidden thing but that is a different kettle of fish.

[33girl]

They don't.

That article isn't policy of any sort, it's a study with a recommendation. They could also do a study that says Forever 21 clothes are crappily made and they recommend people don't buy them, and it would have the same amount of weight.

Even if freshmen were "disallowed" from joining an organization that has nothing to do with the school, all they have to do is exercise discretion and keep their mouths shut.

[sigmaceli]

I mean, TECHNICALLY from a higher ed perspective, if they really wanted to enforce freshmen joining and found out about it, the student code of conduct or honor code there could probably be applied to hold a student accountable.

But if I were the student conduct staff member who had to take time away from more important conduct cases to manage this, I probably wouldn't be too pleased.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by sigmaceli

I mean, TECHNICALLY from a higher ed perspective, if they really wanted to enforce freshmen joining and found out about it, the student code of conduct or honor code there could probably be applied to hold a student accountable.

But if I were the student conduct staff member who had to take time away from more important conduct cases to manage this, I probably wouldn't be too pleased.

Not to mention if I were the parent or student who had to pay an increased tuition because they hired extra people to manage it.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Even if freshmen were "disallowed" from joining an organization that has nothing to do with the school, all they have to do is exercise discretion and keep their mouths shut.

I'd like to hear tales of people who have actually been suspended from Princeton because of this. I just searched and surprise, there is nothing online - and this is the kind of thing that the Dartmouth Review would do a 75-part series on. Perhaps these students really are brainy enough to not post every time they sneeze on Instagram.

And yeah, I'm sure nobody shacks to the point of annoyance, has a ferret or drinks underage in their dorm room, either. But if they do, I'm sure they get thrown out immediately.