Texas 2015

[33girl]

OMG peeps, I'm on painkillers and i figured this out.

Originally Posted by Ag_Sis

This post was more for any crazy stalkers from Greekrank to know that I'm definitely not bothering myself by getting involved in THAT fight. Also for any GCers to know that I kindly request to not be quoted in the future. Of course I can't stop anybody who chooses to do so, but I hope y'all have better manners than to ignore my request.

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

Sorry for my "poor manners" in quoting you. .

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

You're young so hopefully you can take this as a learning experience about the Internet. When you post something online, it's no longer just "yours" . It's out there and will never go away.

I'm sorry someone copied your post and put it on another site, but that happens.

Sometimes you're better off saying nothing if you don't want what you're about to type to be out there forever.

1. Agsis complained about a poster from Greek rank lifting a post from this site nd copying it to g rank.
2. Nan said she's sorry someone at gr did that but that's life.
3. Ag azks for no GCers to quote her. I'm assuming she means on GC.
4. Nan says that's kinda lame.(shes also assuming ag means on gc)
5. Everyone flips their zhit and thinks Nan is posting things from here all over the interweb.

I don't think any regular poster on this site would copy other people's posts from this site and put them on gr.

[33girl]

Now on another note.

I've come to the conclusion that UT should just get rid of formal rush and do informal rush to bid up to total. That way no one has to talk to anyone that they don't want to talk to. It would probably be a lot healthier for the rushees. Now if the person who is borderline anal about freshmen meeting all chapters is saying that, what does that tell you?

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Now on another note.

I've come to the conclusion that UT should just get rid of formal rush and do informal rush to bid up to total. That way no one has to talk to anyone that they don't want to talk to. It would probably be a lot healthier for the rushees. Now if the person who is borderline anal about freshmen meeting all chapters is saying that, what does that tell you?

I'm hoping this is tongue in cheek, because THIS would be the mother of all fluster clucks. Recruitment needs some reforming, but informal - and hey, why not informal deferred, while we're talking about ways to totally insure that the vast majority of girls don't get placed. It's only a few chapters that are the problem, and THEY are the ones who need reforming, not those who abide by the rules and get women who might not consider them without going through formal recruitment.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by LAblondeGPhi

Ugh - so sorry to hear that! I hope she has a wonderful recruitment, in spite of dance party house.



Wait - you were the person who quoted her on GR? Am I the only other person here who does think that's rude? I thought Ag_Sis made a reasonable request in a rather polite way. I'd be pissed if a whole post of mine were lifted and posted on GR, too.

Originally Posted by 33girl

OMG peeps, I'm on painkillers and i figured this out.







1. Agsis complained about a poster from Greek rank lifting a post from this site nd copying it to g rank.
2. Nan said she's sorry someone at gr did that but that's life.
3. Ag azks for no GCers to quote her. I'm assuming she means on GC.
4. Nan says that's kinda lame.(shes also assuming ag means on gc)
5. Everyone flips their zhit and thinks Nan is posting things from here all over the interweb.

I don't think any regular poster on this site would copy other people's posts from this site and put them on gr.

Thank you! I'm really sorry it came off the other way.

[jolene]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I was so proud of the pnm I had prepped for rush a few years ago who dropped THAT HOUSE after the dance party (yes, she had an invite for the next round).

Belle, I'm proud of the young lady you mentored. Where did she pledge? My rec girl is going through rush there right now.

Originally Posted by AGDee

They don't need to do informal, they just need to go to NO frills like the schools around me have done. Define what decorations, music, etc. are allowed. No glitter, no beverages or food besides plain water, no flowers, no music for a dance party. It's not that hard. It saves a ton of money. It seems like, from pics I've seen, a lot of these schools haven't cut the frills one tiny bit and they seem to be getting quite frilly again. It's ridiculous. No videos, no skits, just talk to these women and get to know them, period.

At my school it was pretty strict. We had skits and slide shows, but otherwise it was very no frills. The only flowers were our pink rose for decoration.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I'm hoping this is tongue in cheek, because THIS would be the mother of all fluster clucks. Recruitment needs some reforming, but informal - and hey, why not informal deferred, while we're talking about ways to totally insure that the vast majority of girls don't get placed. It's only a few chapters that are the problem, and THEY are the ones who need reforming, not those who abide by the rules and get women who might not consider them without going through formal recruitment.

I'd like to be tongue in cheek, but then people say (and I know they're being honest and wish this wasn't, but is):

Originally Posted by AnchorAlum

Those groups will ignore what is said about them. Because it's Texas. And the women who go through the process at UT would rather pledge a local at Sam Houston State (if there was one) than poke the bears that are the Big 3.

Perhaps I'm having a particularly cynical day, but when the most prestigious chapters are those with the most horrible behavior, and the rest of the Greek system hasn't run them out of town on a rail, I don't know how to fix that.

[LAblondeGPhi]

Woot - double post!

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I'm hoping this is tongue in cheek, because THIS would be the mother of all fluster clucks. Recruitment needs some reforming, but informal - and hey, why not informal deferred, while we're talking about ways to totally insure that the vast majority of girls don't get placed. It's only a few chapters that are the problem, and THEY are the ones who need reforming, not those who abide by the rules and get women who might not consider them without going through formal recruitment.

Belle - I think you pointed out on the "dream expansions" thread that Texas has a culture problem that needs to be addressed before expansion can be successful. As a total outsider looking in on this system purely through internet sources, it sounds like you hit the nail on the head regarding recruitment issues, too.

Originally Posted by 33girl

Perhaps I'm having a particularly cynical day, but when the most prestigious chapters are those with the most horrible behavior, and the rest of the Greek system hasn't run them out of town on a rail, I don't know how to fix that.

This, I think, is particularly problematic. The entire system (chapters and PNMs) continue to reward the bad behavior. No, not all chapters and PNMs, but enough of them to maintain the status quo.

After reading through some of the comments on GC, I read through the other site and I was amazed at the level of vitriol posted there, particularly in regards to who is participating in formal recruitment this year. I didn't even see just a couple of panhellenic posts to counter to the hate. Just, wow.

[APhiLife]

Weird that they would try to talk to PNM's while the dance party is going on.

[DubaiSis]

I am adding Obtuse much? to my lexicon.

[AZTheta]

^^^I was confused as well, so I edited my post, and I apologize for being confused. I am not going to type one more word today. I'm going to the pool.

[LAblondeGPhi]

Originally Posted by AZTheta

^^^I was confused as well, so I edited my post, and I apologize for being confused. I am not going to type one more word today. I'm going to the pool.

I also edited my post! Sorry for the confusion.

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

No, not at all. I took quoting as having her posts quoted within this thread/Greek chat. Not the other site.

Oh, I understood her reference to quoting was almost entirely in reference to lifting her quotes and putting them on the other site. I agree that that is highly uncool, whereas quoting within GreekChat is to be expected.

[Just interested]

In all honesty, and this is just my observation, those 3 groups have their own recruitment "list" of maybe 200 + a few more pnms. Not all of them will make that "cut", but I'm not that far off. There is another group on campus that is strictly for one religious group and then there is everybody else. Most, if not all of the "other" chapters are well aware of this and not naive at all. They go along their way and pledge the best girls for their chapter leaving these "chosen ones" out of their mix unless they have information otherwise. It is a most impressive selection process for the "other" groups. I have to say kudos to them for working it.

[Ladybugmom]

Originally Posted by Just interested

In all honesty, and this is just my observation, those 3 groups have their own recruitment "list" of maybe 200 + a few more pnms. Not all of them will make that "cut", but I'm not that far off. There is another group on campus that is strictly for one religious group and then there is everybody else. Most, if not all of the "other" chapters are well aware of this and not naive at all. They go along their way and pledge the best girls for their chapter leaving these "chosen ones" out of their mix unless they have information otherwise. It is a most impressive selection process for the "other" groups. I have to say kudos to them for working it.

100% accurate

My sources tell me that there is a National Rep for every house this year and the dance party happened..so there you go.

[AnchorAlum]

Not surprising.
If you have not lived in Texas, especially in one of the big cities and been involved with Alumnae Panhellenic in securing recs as I was for years, you wouldn't believe it.

It all starts with what summer camp you go to every year as a little kid, then when you're a junior in High School you make your way to Austin for Roundup, where sorority girls are coming up to ask your name and where you are from, what HS, etc. (this happened to my daughter, who did not want go to UT) and then you go to the Panhellenic rush forums in your hometown.
The professional portfolio photographs, the letters, recs. It's unbelievable.

I did this as an Alumnae Panhellenic volunteer all through the 90's and looking back on the experience I just have to laugh. All the other Texas schools were heavy on recs but it was not a cut and dried issue like the process in Austin.

One of the challenges is that these particular houses might have up to 100 legacies to their chapter going through rush. There is no way that they only take legacies. The emotional disaster some of the mothers suffer is frankly ridiculous. "OMG how will she EVER get into Junior League if she is not in so-and-so!" Moms who sort of figure out that their daughter may not be a fit for their house at UT will then send their girl to another school (discussed in another thread) where their GLO is not perhaps so strong so she can be a strong candidate for pledging. At least she is not relegated to **shudder** having to pledge some house that is not as special at UT as her house was...

Hey, I was super naïve and thought my GLO was just wonderful everywhere. Such is the thinking of an active! When my husband's corporate moves meant we lived in other parts of the country and I joined alumnae groups to meet people, it was an eye-opener. Other groups that were not all that strong at my Alma Mater were super strong in places like, well, Texas.

It all comes out in the wash, doesn't it? And you meet so many wonderful women from every group. I loved every minute of my Panhellenic experiences working with those ladies. That's why I like this site. We're all from different parts of the country and from different GLO's and I just enjoy the shared experiences.

[DGTess]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlum

Not surprising.
If you have not lived in Texas, especially in one of the big cities and been involved with Alumnae Panhellenic in securing recs as I was for years, you wouldn't believe it.

It all starts with what summer camp you go to every year as a little kid, then when you're a junior in High School you make your way to Austin for Roundup, where sorority girls are coming up to ask your name and where you are from, what HS, etc. (this happened to my daughter, who did not want go to UT) and then you go to the Panhellenic rush forums in your hometown.
The professional portfolio photographs, the letters, recs. It's unbelievable.

I did this as an Alumnae Panhellenic volunteer all through the 90's and looking back on the experience I just have to laugh. All the other Texas schools were heavy on recs but it was not a cut and dried issue like the process in Austin.

One of the challenges is that these particular houses might have up to 100 legacies to their chapter going through rush. There is no way that they only take legacies. The emotional disaster some of the mothers suffer is frankly ridiculous. "OMG how will she EVER get into Junior League if she is not in so-and-so!" Moms who sort of figure out that their daughter may not be a fit for their house at UT will then send their girl to another school (discussed in another thread) where their GLO is not perhaps so strong so she can be a strong candidate for pledging. At least she is not relegated to **shudder** having to pledge some house that is not as special at UT as her house was...

Hey, I was super naïve and thought my GLO was just wonderful everywhere. Such is the thinking of an active! When my husband's corporate moves meant we lived in other parts of the country and I joined alumnae groups to meet people, it was an eye-opener. Other groups that were not all that strong at my Alma Mater were super strong in places like, well, Texas.

It all comes out in the wash, doesn't it? And you meet so many wonderful women from every group. I loved every minute of my Panhellenic experiences working with those ladies. That's why I like this site. We're all from different parts of the country and from different GLO's and I just enjoy the shared experiences.

I did not see this when I lived in San Antonio, where my daughter graduated from high school and chose UT. Thankfully, she didn't want to rush.

I was active in the alumnae group, but I guess no one ever considered I wouldn't know the deal. DD never went to camp, or Roundup, and I never gave a thought that all the groups were as good as mine.

The flip side, though, was that I only saw one sorority woman in the whole time I was there put down another group. She came through the airport when we were greeting Convention attendees, and *literally* lifted her nose in the air with her finger while announcing the name of *her* group. It did not make me look kindly upon them ....