Phi Kappa Psi at U of Virginia Voluntarily Suspends Activities

[Nanners52674]

I myself am having trouble finding a list of the 12 specific schools. So we'll go with that detail being fabricated.

What isn't fabricated is the link aztheta posted of the list of schools with open investigations and UVA is on that list. It's not even a long list compared with the number of universities in our country.

This whole thing is an absolute fiasco, but I don't agree with the thought process of Oh the article isn't true so of course UVA doesn't have a problem.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

but I don't agree with the thought process of Oh the article isn't true so of course UVA doesn't have a problem.

No one has said "of course UVA doesn't have a problem". Young people are at a higher risk of sexual assault. It happens. It's a terrible thing. But let's stick to the facts rather than let propaganda whip us into a frenzy and focus on the wrong solutions. College females are at LESS risk than their non-college peers for sexual assault. So why all the hand-wringing about frats and college campuses? Why aren't we worried about jane doe who graduated from high school last year and is working at the local piggly wiggly? She's statstically much more likely to get raped than the freshman at UVa? So why the disparity in the attention given?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by honorgal

No one has said "of course UVA doesn't have a problem". Young people are at a higher risk of sexual assault. It happens. It's a terrible thing. But let's stick to the facts rather than let propaganda whip us into a frenzy and focus on the wrong solutions. College females are at LESS risk than their non-college peers for sexual assault. So why all the hand-wringing about frats and college campuses? Why aren't we worried about jane doe who graduated from high school last year and is working at the local piggly wiggly? She's statstically much more likely to get raped than the freshman at UVa? So why the disparity in the attention given?

What actions do you think should be taken to reduce rape?

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

What actions do you think should be taken to reduce rape?

I think you would need to be more specific with your question.

Are we talking about something along the lines of the Hannah Graham case, the rape that didn't happen to Jackie (but let's pretend for the sake of discussion that it did, just as it was described in RS) or the situation described in the recent Esquire piece that I linked to a few pages back.

Here's the link again, in case you didn't read it before - its not nearly as salacious and riveting as the Jackie narrative that everyone wanted so badly to have happened. But it's a lot more representative of the types of cases that colleges are dealing with and OCR is investigating.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...-justice-case/

Would you say that those three examples of campus "rape" would all be amenable to the exact same prevention and reduction strategies?

[lake]

I thought this was relevant to this conversation. It's about putting a law in place to protect a student's due process rights. The article references a student who was banned from campus after being falsely accused of rape.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news...e-process-bill

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by lake

I thought this was relevant to this conversation. It's about putting a law in place to protect a student's due process rights. The article references a student who was banned from campus after being falsely accused of rape.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news...e-process-bill

Thanks for the link. This would be a welcome due process protection considering the OCR's "mandate" that all schools lower their standard to a preponderance of the evidence for a guilty finding.