University fo Okahoma-Sigma Alpha Epsilon-Racial Chant

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by KDMafia

However, only one person video taped that and turned it in.

I have seen 2 or maybe 3 different versions of the video, not just 1. In one video, you can also see a girl in a blue dress trying to take video and her date puts his hand over her phone to stop her. I think (perhaps it is hope) that many of the girls on that bus were shocked and upset.

[amanda6035]

FYI, I left a donation for Howard and got a email response to a comment I left from the organizer:

Hi Amanda,

Thanks so much for your support! I just spoke with Howard last night and he and his wife are in great spirits. The fraternity is continuing to pay him his salary for a period of time so he will not have to make any drastic life changes. Also, some good news is that he has had a couple of job offers already!

Thanks again,

Blake

[naraht]

I'm in what is approaching an edit war on Wikipedia over a question involving this chapter.

Has anyone seen anything to indicate that the current status *within* of the SAE chapter at OU (Oklahoma Kappa) is any different than any other chapter which has been declared inactive, for example Illinois Beta at U of Chicago which was declared inactive in 1941.

For example, I haven't seen anything indicating that if SAE returns to the school that it would be as a new charter rather than a reactivation (Say as Oklahoma Pi) (I simply don't understand how the greek letters as part of SAE chapter names are assigned).

To me, whether or not OU President Boren will allow SAE back during his time in doesn't affect the status of the charter, inactive is inactive.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by naraht

I'm in what is approaching an edit war on Wikipedia over a question involving this chapter.

Has anyone seen anything to indicate that the current status *within* of the SAE chapter at OU (Oklahoma Kappa) is any different than any other chapter which has been declared inactive, for example Illinois Beta at U of Chicago which was declared inactive in 1941.

For example, I haven't seen anything indicating that if SAE returns to the school that it would be as a new charter rather than a reactivation (Say as Oklahoma Pi) (I simply don't understand how the greek letters as part of SAE chapter names are assigned).

To me, whether or not OU President Boren will allow SAE back during his time in doesn't affect the status of the charter, inactive is inactive.

Why is this your responsibility?

[naraht]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Why is this your responsibility?

It is wikipedia, pages are not owned. In fact due to the rules on Conflict of Interest at Wikipedia, a brother of Sigma Alpha Epsilon is actually the least appropriate type of person to edit a page about Sigma Alpha Epsilon.

[MU2Driver]

Originally Posted by naraht

It is wikipedia, pages are not owned. In fact due to the rules on Conflict of Interest at Wikipedia, a brother of Sigma Alpha Epsilon is actually the least appropriate type of person to edit a page about Sigma Alpha Epsilon.

I understand that a literal reading of the Wikipedia conflict of interest policy could be interpreted that way, but it also says "subject-matter experts are welcome to contribute to articles in their areas of expertise, while being careful to make sure that their external relationships in that field do not interfere with their primary role on Wikipedia."

Using this example, who else other than a brother of SAE would have both the subject matter expertise and also the time and inclination to edit the SAE page? It's not a perfect system, which is why most people take Wikipedia with a grain of salt. The options in most cases would seem to be either uninformed editors or editors with a bias against the subject of the article.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by MU2Driver

I understand that a literal reading of the Wikipedia conflict of interest policy could be interpreted that way, but it also says "subject-matter experts are welcome to contribute to articles in their areas of expertise, while being careful to make sure that their external relationships in that field do not interfere with their primary role on Wikipedia."

Using this example, who else other than a brother of SAE would have both the subject matter expertise and also the time and inclination to edit the SAE page? It's not a perfect system, which is why most people take Wikipedia with a grain of salt. The options in most cases would seem to be either uninformed editors or editors with a bias against the subject of the article.

I agree, and I also don't understand the motivation to get involved in a self-admitted "edit war" with someone over whether the appropriate terminology for the chapter at OU is "closed," "inactive," "disbanded," or whatever when one don't personally have the knowledge of the correct terminology and when one has to go to a message board in order to get the information. GC isn't what I would consider a reliable academic source. If one isn't a subject matter expert, then leave it to the subject matter experts. It's wikipedia, not life or death.

That being said, I also don't understand the motivation for several GCers to do and type things they do and type in the name of "helping," but to each his or her own.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by MU2Driver

I understand that a literal reading of the Wikipedia conflict of interest policy could be interpreted that way, but it also says "subject-matter experts are welcome to contribute to articles in their areas of expertise, while being careful to make sure that their external relationships in that field do not interfere with their primary role on Wikipedia."

Using this example, who else other than a brother of SAE would have both the subject matter expertise and also the time and inclination to edit the SAE page? It's not a perfect system, which is why most people take Wikipedia with a grain of salt. The options in most cases would seem to be either uninformed editors or editors with a bias against the subject of the article.

"Subject matter expertise" is relatively broad. If there is an article on a new treatment for acne, a dermatologist or even a general MD would be viewed as having subject matter expertise. An Alpha Tau Omega brother would have all of the subject matter expertise to edit the article on SAE or vice versa. Many people are interested in improving articles on topics that they will have to research. For example, if a page for an honor society is marked as a stub and I happen to run into it, I'll do the research necessary to try to "destub it". I'm not a Phi Beta Kappa member, but I'm currently working on a chapter directory including installation dates.

Articles should be referenced, finding and putting the information from the pages puts someone above the level of "uninformed". And someone who is vocally opposed to the subject of the article is also viewed as having a conflict of interest. (So it would be equally inappropriate for the PR company for Exxon Mobil and for Greenpeace to write the article about the Exxon Valdez spill)

[MU2Driver]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Why is this your responsibility?

Agree 1000%. SAE has plenty to deal with right now and doesn't need any "help" editing its Wikipedia pages.

To answer the question, SAE designates its chapters by state name followed by one or two Greek letters selected by the charter members and approved by the Supreme Council. There is no particular system.

If the OU chapter were ever to be reconstituted, it would still be Oklahoma Kappa.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by amanda6035

FYI, I left a donation for Howard and got a email response to a comment I left from the organizer:

I am so happy to hear this! Good for Howard and his wife!

[ZetaPhi708.20]

Oh. Look who has issued an apology.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/ParkerRice?src=hash

Oh. See the nation not really give a damn about his "apology".

[Benzgirl]

Originally Posted by thetalady

I have seen 2 or maybe 3 different versions of the video, not just 1. In one video, you can also see a girl in a blue dress trying to take video and her date puts his hand over her phone to stop her. I think (perhaps it is hope) that many of the girls on that bus were shocked and upset.

I was just watching a broadcast from Dallas and they said a second video surfaced within the last 24 hours.

Originally Posted by amanda6035

FYI, I left a donation for Howard and got a email response to a comment I left from the organizer:

The fund is over $50,000 at this time. Very nice of everyone as he appears to be one of the biggest victims of irresponsible boys.

Originally Posted by thetalady

One of the young men expelled is identified as Parker Rice, recent graduate of Jesuit Prep, a prestigious private school in Dallas. They are so proud...

Indeed sad. His name has been plastered over social media.