University fo Okahoma-Sigma Alpha Epsilon-Racial Chant

thetalady · #1 03-09-2015, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KDMafia

There were sorority women on that bus potentially singing along or thinking it was funny.

KDMafia, I know that you said POTENTIALLY. I have to point out that there is no evidence that I have seen that shows any of the women joining in with this horrific behavior. Have you seen anything to the contrary? I think it is very clear that there were women on that bus that disagreed enormously with what was going on. That is why they videoed the actions and then exposed these racist little pricks for the bigots that they are.

Do I think they are complicit for not having stood up on the bus and demanded that the singing stop or demanding to be let off? No, I won't go that far. I think the women on that bus did what they could to make a difference and applaud their actions.

ETA: ChioLu just posted about Tri Delta's statement. I have read in several places that at least one of those videos was posted by a Tri Delta member. GOOD GIRL!

MysticCat · #2 03-09-2015, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MU2Driver

Would they have sung the song in public? I don't think so; I think they knew it was wrong. And, if given the opportunity to apologize and repent, I think they would.

If they knew it was wrong, then why did they do it? And if they knew it was wrong and did it anyway, then why would you assume any apology or repentance would be the least bit sincere.

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Originally Posted by AZTheta

And this is NOT a First Amendment issue. The Federal government is not punishing SAE. And, the First Amendment does not protect you from the consequences of your speech. Don't ignore that fundamental principle.

Well, just to be clear, this could be a First Amendment issue. As a result of the Fourteenth Amendment, the First Amendment applies to state and local governments as well, and as a public university, OU is an entity of state government. So it is possible that some actions OU might want to take could have First Amendment implications.

KDMafia · #3 03-09-2015, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by thetalady

KDMafia, I know that you said POTENTIALLY. I have to point out that there is no evidence that I have seen that shows any of the women joining in with this horrific behavior. Have you seen anything to the contrary? I think it is very clear that there were women on that bus that disagreed enormously with what was going on. That is why they videoed the actions and then exposed these racist little pricks for the bigots that they are.
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I have not seen anything indicating other than rumors hence the phrase potentially. However, only one person video taped that and turned it in. I think to pretend that all of the dates, which most likely comprised of a majority sorority members, were obviously appalled is naive in the extreme and does not help us in moving forward from this incident in a true and productive way. Obviously this wasn't the first time they sang the song together as a fraternity, and they sure seemed completely okay with singing it out loud in public, which assumes some level of assurance that those present would be okay which probably indicates that this song has been sung in front of others before.

thetalady · #4 03-10-2015, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KDMafia

However, only one person video taped that and turned it in.

I have seen 2 or maybe 3 different versions of the video, not just 1. In one video, you can also see a girl in a blue dress trying to take video and her date puts his hand over her phone to stop her. I think (perhaps it is hope) that many of the girls on that bus were shocked and upset.

amanda6035 · #5 03-10-2015, 02:37 PM

FYI, I left a donation for Howard and got a email response to a comment I left from the organizer:

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Hi Amanda,

Thanks so much for your support! I just spoke with Howard last night and he and his wife are in great spirits. The fraternity is continuing to pay him his salary for a period of time so he will not have to make any drastic life changes. Also, some good news is that he has had a couple of job offers already!

Thanks again,

Blake

naraht · #6 03-10-2015, 04:14 PM

I'm in what is approaching an edit war on Wikipedia over a question involving this chapter.

Has anyone seen anything to indicate that the current status *within* of the SAE chapter at OU (Oklahoma Kappa) is any different than any other chapter which has been declared inactive, for example Illinois Beta at U of Chicago which was declared inactive in 1941.

For example, I haven't seen anything indicating that if SAE returns to the school that it would be as a new charter rather than a reactivation (Say as Oklahoma Pi) (I simply don't understand how the greek letters as part of SAE chapter names are assigned).

To me, whether or not OU President Boren will allow SAE back during his time in doesn't affect the status of the charter, inactive is inactive.

amIblue? · #7 03-10-2015, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht

I'm in what is approaching an edit war on Wikipedia over a question involving this chapter.

Has anyone seen anything to indicate that the current status *within* of the SAE chapter at OU (Oklahoma Kappa) is any different than any other chapter which has been declared inactive, for example Illinois Beta at U of Chicago which was declared inactive in 1941.

For example, I haven't seen anything indicating that if SAE returns to the school that it would be as a new charter rather than a reactivation (Say as Oklahoma Pi) (I simply don't understand how the greek letters as part of SAE chapter names are assigned).

To me, whether or not OU President Boren will allow SAE back during his time in doesn't affect the status of the charter, inactive is inactive.

Why is this your responsibility?

naraht · #8 03-10-2015, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by amIblue?

Why is this your responsibility?

It is wikipedia, pages are not owned. In fact due to the rules on Conflict of Interest at Wikipedia, a brother of Sigma Alpha Epsilon is actually the least appropriate type of person to edit a page about Sigma Alpha Epsilon.

MU2Driver · #9 03-11-2015, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by amIblue?

Why is this your responsibility?

Agree 1000%. SAE has plenty to deal with right now and doesn't need any "help" editing its Wikipedia pages.

To answer the question, SAE designates its chapters by state name followed by one or two Greek letters selected by the charter members and approved by the Supreme Council. There is no particular system.

If the OU chapter were ever to be reconstituted, it would still be Oklahoma Kappa.

cinder1965 · #10 03-10-2015, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by amanda6035

FYI, I left a donation for Howard and got a email response to a comment I left from the organizer:

I am so happy to hear this! Good for Howard and his wife!

ZetaPhi708.20 · #11 03-10-2015, 08:40 PM

Oh. Look who has issued an apology.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/ParkerRice?src=hash

Oh. See the nation not really give a damn about his "apology".

Benzgirl · #12 03-10-2015, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thetalady

I have seen 2 or maybe 3 different versions of the video, not just 1. In one video, you can also see a girl in a blue dress trying to take video and her date puts his hand over her phone to stop her. I think (perhaps it is hope) that many of the girls on that bus were shocked and upset.

I was just watching a broadcast from Dallas and they said a second video surfaced within the last 24 hours.

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Originally Posted by amanda6035

FYI, I left a donation for Howard and got a email response to a comment I left from the organizer:

The fund is over $50,000 at this time. Very nice of everyone as he appears to be one of the biggest victims of irresponsible boys.

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Originally Posted by thetalady

One of the young men expelled is identified as Parker Rice, recent graduate of Jesuit Prep, a prestigious private school in Dallas. They are so proud...

Indeed sad. His name has been plastered over social media.