University fo Okahoma-Sigma Alpha Epsilon-Racial Chant

[naraht]

Seems *somewhat* broad a brush by the Fraternity. If there is a brother of the chapter who was home for the weekend (I'm talking on an ATM camera in Tulsa while this is going on), then removing his national membership in Sigma Alpha Epsilon doesn't seem right.

[FloridaTish]

Originally Posted by naraht

Seems *somewhat* broad a brush by the Fraternity. If there is a brother of the chapter who was home for the weekend (I'm talking on an ATM camera in Tulsa while this is going on), then removing his national membership in Sigma Alpha Epsilon doesn't seem right.

If you lie down with dogs, you're gonna get fleas. Even if Brother John at the ATM was not on this trip, I would doubt that this is the first time the chapter has acted in such a manner. You surround yourself with racist assholes, you risk being lumped in with them, racist or not. Then again, if you weren't a racist ass-hat, why WOULD you want to be a member of a fraternity that acts this way?

[ComradesTrue]

Originally Posted by naraht

Seems *somewhat* broad a brush by the Fraternity. If there is a brother of the chapter who was home for the weekend (I'm talking on an ATM camera in Tulsa while this is going on), then removing his national membership in Sigma Alpha Epsilon doesn't seem right.

Except that they didn't create that chant on the bus. Those members knew the chant very well. Therefore, all members have had exposure to the chant and have had ample opportunities to do the right thing. The right thing, of course, isn't just stopping the chant but exposing the chapter for the racist bigots that they are. That could start in-house with "hey guys, this is utterly wrong thinking," "we should be very open to pledging any race," "we NEVER use that word or refer to lynching," etc., to full exposure if nothing changed with the first approach.

So, yes, broad brush was definitely the correct response.

[SAEalumnus]

Originally Posted by naraht

Seems *somewhat* broad a brush by the Fraternity. If there is a brother of the chapter who was home for the weekend (I'm talking on an ATM camera in Tulsa while this is going on), then removing his national membership in Sigma Alpha Epsilon doesn't seem right.

Pursuant to our Fraternity Laws, when a charter is revoked, all active members of the chapter are automatically suspended. For most, they are converted to alumni in good standing after they graduate. Those who directly caused the loss of the charter are frequently expelled.

In this case, the charter is already gone effective Sunday night, so all active members are now suspended. A panel of alumni will now be convened as a trial board to determine who should be expelled. In the meantime, as mentioned, the university has already expelled two students involved in the video. We can likely expect to hear more from both the national fraternity and the university as their respective investigations progress.

I can't even begin to express how livid the fraternity is nation-wide at the behavior of these manchildren. Their behavior is so diametrically opposed to what SAE represents as to make one wonder how those individuals were ever admitted to membership to begin with. To time this with our Founders Day was just an extra slap in the face.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by SAEalumnus

Pursuant to our Fraternity Laws, when a charter is revoked, all active members of the chapter are automatically suspended. For most, they are converted to alumni in good standing after they graduate. Those who directly caused the loss of the charter are frequently expelled.

In this case, the charter is already gone effective Sunday night, so all active members are now suspended. A panel of alumni will now be convened as a trial board to determine who should be expelled. In the meantime, as mentioned, the university has already expelled two students involved in the video. We can likely expect to hear more from both the national fraternity and the university as their respective investigations progress.

I can't even begin to express how livid the fraternity is nation-wide at the behavior of these manchildren. Their behavior is so diametrically opposed to what SAE represents as to make one wonder how those individuals were ever admitted to membership to begin with. To time this with our Founders Day was just an extra slap in the face.

I'd just like to say that this seems a superior method to the way in which my fraternity would handle a similar situation, and I both compliment Sigma Alpha Epsilon on the method that they use and *wish* that it wasn't necessary.