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Old 05-23-2014, 10:58 AM
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DeltaBetaBaby [QUOTE}I've already answered this question, and if you weren't here to defend FSU, you wouldn't have posted the links you did.[/QUOTE]



Posting the case report is unbiased, factual information sharing. It is part of the information that was used to determine whether or not there was enough evidence for a criminal case. The State Attorney deemed there was not enough evidence.

I do not know enough about Title IX procedure to comment on whether or not FSU followed Title IX protocol or not. I had hoped to learn what other people around the country thought and on what their opinions were based. Accusing me of posting links in order to defend FSU is as accurate as if I had accused you of defending the accuser by posting articles from Jezebel and the NYT. I posted the analysis of the case report from Tomahawk Nation because it gave a brief synopsis of the over 240 pages of transcript, which I was afraid some people wouldn't take/have the time to read. I posted it with the caveat that it was biased.

Journalism (I do not equate Tomahawk Nation or Jezebel with journalism) has become less fact reporting without opinion, and more opinion sharing with facts used to support that opinion. I think that most of us can read the facts and form our own opinions. It's too bad the media doesn't seem to think so.
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Old 05-23-2014, 11:10 AM
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Posting the case report is unbiased, factual information sharing. It is part of the information that was used to determine whether or not there was enough evidence for a criminal case. The State Attorney deemed there was not enough evidence.

I do not know enough about Title IX procedure to comment on whether or not FSU followed Title IX protocol or not. I had hoped to learn what other people around the country thought and on what their opinions were based. Accusing me of posting links in order to defend FSU is as accurate as if I had accused you of defending the accuser by posting articles from Jezebel and the NYT. I posted the analysis of the case report from Tomahawk Nation because it gave a brief synopsis of the over 240 pages of transcript, which I was afraid some people wouldn't take/have the time to read. I posted it with the caveat that it was biased.

Journalism (I do not equate Tomahawk Nation or Jezebel with journalism) has become less fact reporting without opinion, and more opinion sharing with facts used to support that opinion. I think that most of us can read the facts and form our own opinions. It's too bad the media doesn't seem to think so.
Even if you were a Title IX coordinator yourself you couldn't know if FSU followed procedures or not, in any specific case. It's a secretive and confidential process. FSU can't tell us what they did or didn't do. How convenient for those claiming they didn't follow procedures.
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Old 05-23-2014, 11:31 AM
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This is an all too typical representation of what our college "rape crisis" looks like.

http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C422124157.PDF
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Old 05-23-2014, 03:52 PM
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Posting the case report is unbiased, factual information sharing. It is part of the information that was used to determine whether or not there was enough evidence for a criminal case. The State Attorney deemed there was not enough evidence.

I do not know enough about Title IX procedure to comment on whether or not FSU followed Title IX protocol or not. I had hoped to learn what other people around the country thought and on what their opinions were based. Accusing me of posting links in order to defend FSU is as accurate as if I had accused you of defending the accuser by posting articles from Jezebel and the NYT. I posted the analysis of the case report from Tomahawk Nation because it gave a brief synopsis of the over 240 pages of transcript, which I was afraid some people wouldn't take/have the time to read. I posted it with the caveat that it was biased.

Journalism (I do not equate Tomahawk Nation or Jezebel with journalism) has become less fact reporting without opinion, and more opinion sharing with facts used to support that opinion. I think that most of us can read the facts and form our own opinions. It's too bad the media doesn't seem to think so.
I find the second link you posted offensive and victim-blaming. This type of thing is exactly why women don't come forward when they've been raped. No matter what happened that night, she obviously walked away traumatized enough to go to the hospital and report to the PD, and for that, she gets torn apart, accused of lying, and her sexual history is up for public discussion? Not okay.

As for my thoughts on the case...the documents are interesting, but I am not an expert, and obviously seeing a written statement is not the same as interviewing a witness. So here are some initial impressions, but they come with that caveat:

1) The men involved read to me as disrespectful of women and female sexuality. Popping into someone's room to ask if you can have sex with her too is pretty sleazy. Does that make someone a rapist? Not necessarily, but it makes you a person who shares some qualities with rapists.

2) The men lied about part 1, and later admitted they had. Again, sleazy.

3) The woman's story is obviously confusing and changes from interview to interview. I am not going to try to guess whether that's a result of trauma, alcohol, or malice and/or how reliable or unreliable that makes her.

3a) If 3 can be attributed to alcohol alone, then she was too drunk to give consent.

4) I don't know the race of the accuser, but there is a long and sordid history in this country of white women accusing black men of sexual assault. That gives me pause on drawing conclusions.

5) No matter what actually happened, it is a problem that when the police went to FSU, they were intercepted by the athletic department, and that members of the athletic staff volunteered to act as representatives for the football players. That alone raises giant red flags and justifies further investigation by a disinterested party.

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