Indiana University 2014 Recruitment

TennisMom · #1 01-23-2014, 03:56 PM

I would like to publicly thank silver_blue for her posts on this topic. She has walked in the shoes of my daughter (an IU sophomore twice disappointed) and can also speak to a much more positive recruitment experience. I do not read her posts as "not being able to let go" but rather as someone who would like to spare others unnecessary hurt and disappointment. And, ZTAIUalum, I believe it was your post which started the personal attack.

One final note, there are many, many sorority sisters and hurting moms on this forum who have helped me to process through the sadness and disappointment I feel for my daughter by recognizing the flaws in the IU recruitment process. Thank you!!!

als463 · #2 01-23-2014, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TennisMom

I would like to publicly thank silver_blue for her posts on this topic. She has walked in the shoes of my daughter (an IU sophomore twice disappointed) and can also speak to a much more positive recruitment experience. I do not read her posts as "not being able to let go" but rather as someone who would like to spare others unnecessary hurt and disappointment. And, ZTAIUalum, I believe it was your post which started the personal attack.

One final note, there are many, many sorority sisters and hurting moms on this forum who have helped me to process through the sadness and disappointment I feel for my daughter by recognizing the flaws in the IU recruitment process. Thank you!!!

I agree with ZTAIUalum and no, it was not her post that started the personal attacks. It was the mother of someone coming on here and claiming that every single girl in an IU sorority must be rich, beautiful, and have ice-water running through her veins (looking to hurt PNMs and not living by her creed) that started the personal attacks. The IU system is not the best. I agree with you and the other moms on here. I say this as someone who, like TrideltaSallie, feels like her sorority membership has enhanced her life to a degree that simply getting an education never could but, really? Are we really going to bash the ladies who got bids or handed out bids because someone was upset. I am all for Greek life but, if a person came to my office wanting a job and I saw she was Greek at random-bumblescum-U and I saw she transferred from IU, even if IU had the same program (because, I would ask why she transferred), I wouldn't hire her. At the end of the day, the name on my degree is what has helped open doors---though I am a proud member of my sorority. So, please just STOP!

ASTalumna06 · #3 01-23-2014, 05:30 PM

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I am all for Greek life but, if a person came to my office wanting a job and I saw she was Greek at random-bumblescum-U and I saw she transferred from IU, even if IU had the same program (because, I would ask why she transferred), I wouldn't hire her. At the end of the day, the name on my degree is what has helped open doors---though I am a proud member of my sorority. So, please just STOP!

Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're trying to say here, and I don't want to derail this thread, but why would you not hire someone because they transferred from IU?

AOIILisa · #4 01-23-2014, 05:35 PM

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Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're trying to say here, and I don't want to derail this thread, but why would you not hire someone because they transferred from IU?

I kind of wondered how you would see that on a resume - mine just lists my degrees, schools, and years. I don't think I'd put a transfer on a resume, the final result is where your degree was earned.

I never had my sorority on my resume either - I didn't want people to have any preconcieved notions or stereotypes in their heads before I got a chance to meet them. Maybe others are different, though.

ETA - I can see why you may want to put that on - if you were president of your sorority or something like that. I had other work experience related to my major that I used instead.

als463 · #5 01-23-2014, 05:44 PM

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Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're trying to say here, and I don't want to derail this thread, but why would you not hire someone because they transferred from IU?

No, you're fine. I clearly didn't say it right. Excuse me for that. No, I'm saying that if a girl chose to transfer from IU to a lesser prestigious school just to go Greek and that was her reason, I wouldn't hire her. To me, I am more concerned about the prestige of their degree/ rigor of the school's program. If there were other reasons she transferred--that's okay. If IU has, say for example, the top #1 program in the nation for ______ and a woman transferred to Bumblescum U to a bottom program or a program less prestigious, I wouldn't hire her. Obviously, IU is a great school with so many great attributes. If her sole reason for leaving was the Greek situation and she went to a "lesser" school then nope! She needs to look elsewhere for employment. Now, if it was Purdue the person transferred to, which is another great school, then fine. If you choose lesser because recruitment knocked the wind out of you, I'm not so sure I want you working for me. I hope that one makes sense. Some people may say it's insensitive but, I really don't care.

suzy88 · #6 01-23-2014, 06:00 PM

Some were wondering why they just didn't hold recruitment events on Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. I think that some would perceive that as a bad day to hold recruitment events or a bid day. It is supposed to be a day of service and a day of reflection about the work he did.

DeltaBetaBaby · #7 01-23-2014, 06:58 PM

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Some were wondering why they just didn't hold recruitment events on Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. I think that some would perceive that as a bad day to hold recruitment events or a bid day. It is supposed to be a day of service and a day of reflection about the work he did.

Yes, holding a recruitment event, given the history of most NPC orgs. on MLK day would be fairly ignorant and insulting.

A better question, as 33girl has asked up thread, is why they didn't move bid day back. But in any case, there would NOT have been more women with bids. Just, possibly, a different distribution. That said, I think that in a deferred recruitment, the parties themselves aren't quite as important. And hell, if you ended up bidless, wouldn't you rather think they didn't have time to get to know you then that they did have time, and didn't like you enough?

As for each group's right to select it's own members, nobody is asking them to take women they don't want. They are asking them to set a fair quota. Let's say quota was set at 75, and one of the SRCs* decided they only wanted to take 50. They could, if they wanted, only issue 50 pref invites (in fact, any chapter at any school could do this). Do you think they would do that? Probably not, because they risk not being listed as #1 by all 50 women and ending up with fewer than 50. If you want 50, even if you have a very high return rate, you ALWAYS put more than 50 on your list, which just underscores the fact that there are more than *quota* # of women who meet your membership standards.

Besides, it's not like we let chapters go the other way. At other schools, one chapter can't just decide that they want to take more than quota. We regulate the system plenty at all those other schools, why not at IU? The idea that IU sororities should have the right to choose their members however they want just doesn't hold water with me. If that's the case, why have a formal recruitment at all?

*Strong Recruiting Chapter, i.e. a chapter that typically has high return rates, lots of PNM's listing them first after pref, etc.