Indiana University 2014 Recruitment

[suzy88]

The "number shaming" in this thread needs to STOP. Membership selection is still membership selection and sororities still have the prerogative to take quota/bid up to total, take NO women at all, or do something in between. That prerogative doesn't disappear because it's IU. We have no idea why chapters took the size classes they took. So quit.

The real "shame" here is that the sororities know that the current system demoralizes young women and destroys their self esteem and they don't care. They prefer exclusivity. They should take a look at their own recruiting material and see that they are values based organizations that are meant to uplift women. They are not fulfilling their own mission. That is the shame. Just because something is "their prerogative" doesn't make it right.

[Mom64]

Originally Posted by suzy88

The real "shame" here is that the sororities know that the current system demoralizes young women and destroys their self esteem and they don't care. They prefer exclusivity. They should take a look at their own recruiting material and see that they are values based organizations that are meant to uplift women. They are not fulfilling their own mission. That is the shame. Just because something is "their prerogative" doesn't make it right.

Thank you. Most of the women entered the process with excitement, high hopes and enthusiasm. Too, too many were turned away.

[33girl]

^^^^you are completely missing my point.

My point is that this or that group is being criticized for taking too few women. With the current system, they're doing what they're supposed to do. I doubt that ZTA just decided this week to allow senior live-outs and compel the chapter to take more members than the norm for the current system. I mean people are acting like these chapters should have woken up today and changed everything because of a thread on Greek Chat. This rush was a mess because of the missed party date and the time to think about changes is when everyone is calmed down from rush, NOT in the middle of it.

[Mom64]

Originally Posted by 33girl

^^^^you are completely missing my point.

My point is that this or that group is being criticized for taking too few women. With the current system, they're doing what they're supposed to do. I doubt that ZTA just decided this week to allow senior live-outs and compel the chapter to take more members than the norm for the current system. I mean people are acting like these chapters should have woken up today and changed everything because of a thread on Greek Chat. This rush was a mess because of the missed party date and the time to think about changes is when everyone is calmed down from rush, NOT in the middle of it.

This rush was a mess... guess it's too bad for all those women who counted on the powers that be to adapt and figure out a rush schedule that wouldn't be a mess rather than cutting a party.

Time to think about changes?? From the postings here, it seems this has been going on for decades at IU. Bottom Line, no one wants anything to change. The IU Greeks should be ashamed of themselves and chapters in other schools should tell them such. The IU Greek system is a huge blemish on the nationwide Greek system.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Mom64

The IU Greeks should be ashamed of themselves and chapters in other schools should tell them such. The IU Greek system is a huge blemish on the nationwide Greek system.

In reality, nobody really cares outside of IU and us greekchat addicts. Most NPC members don't understand quota/total at their OWN schools, let alone give a hoot what IU is doing.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

In reality, nobody really cares outside of IU and us greekchat addicts. Most NPC members don't understand quota/total at their OWN schools, let alone give a hoot what IU is doing.

Great answer! I cannot believe this thread has over 64,700 views right now. Unbelievable.

[suzy88]

My older daughter did not get a bid in the 2011-12 rush at IU. It was an awful, crushing experience for her. That was her freshman experience. If I had to do it over, I would have sent her to school elsewhere, it would have been better for her, and she agrees. However, she stuck it out at IU. I discouraged my younger daughter from rushing, but left the choice to her. She got her bid yesterday. It really depends on the young women, how much she wants to attend IU and how important sorority membership is to her. If it is very important, I would recommend another school. Both my younger daughter and I felt she could handle the disappointment of this experience if she did not get a bid. At this point, it makes me sick to see the disappointment of some of her friends, however.

[*winter*]

Out of curiosity, do the "unhoused" chapters have any sort of community dorm space? Is this something that may be offered in the future?

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by *winter*

Out of curiosity, do the "unhoused" chapters have any sort of community dorm space? Is this something that may be offered in the future?

Yes- at least one of the have a block of apartments and use the community room of the complex as a chapter room of sorts.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by suzy88

The real "shame" here is that the sororities know that the current system demoralizes young women and destroys their self esteem and they don't care. They prefer exclusivity. They should take a look at their own recruiting material and see that they are values based organizations that are meant to uplift women. They are not fulfilling their own mission. That is the shame. Just because something is "their prerogative" doesn't make it right.

I understand that people are upset. I am so sorry that there are women who did not get bids.

However, it is quite the accusation to put on 18-22 year olds to say that they are "destroying and demoralizing young women." We've said in here before that this is likely a university issue, not something that the women themselves can change.

Again, I get that folks are upset. But no collegian goes into recruitment thinking "yes, let's DESTROY some self-esteem!"

[suzy88]

Some missed my point. Yes, I do get that these young women are not trying to hurt others. However, this system does just that. I have freshman and junior daughters at this university, I know many, many wonderful young women in sororities at IU, I meant the organization, not the individual women. Does the organization hold any responsibility for what happens with their own rush? If not, who does?

[ZTAIUalum]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I understand that people are upset. I am so sorry that there are women who did not get bids.

However, it is quite the accusation to put on 18-22 year olds to say that they are "destroying and demoralizing young women." We've said in here before that this is likely a university issue, not something that the women themselves can change.

Again, I get that folks are upset. But no collegian goes into recruitment thinking "yes, let's DESTROY some self-esteem!"

You are correct! I wholeheartedly agree. Emotions run high when a loved one or oneself is hurt. No one does this with malice...

[Katmandu]

In no greek system except for one, do all women who register have happy outcomes or self determine their ending. In every system, there are heartbreaks and bad outcomes. But ascribing deliberate malice, using loaded words, such as "bullying", and "hazing" is going too far in my opinion. Most people agree this particular system is flawed, but even if changed there will still be girls who go bidless or feel hurt, and sororities still have the right to invite, not invite, and rank and select members according to their own reasons.

I would be interested in knowing how many of the bidless women maximized their options and how many left off one or more chnpters from their final card. Maybe none, but I suspect more than a few.

It was striking to me how much all of the new members looked alike....really, really, alike.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Katmandu

In no greek system except for one, do all women who register have happy outcomes or self determine their ending. In every system, there are heartbreaks and bad outcomes. But ascribing deliberate malice, using loaded words, such as "bullying", and "hazing" is going too far in my opinion. Most people agree this particular system is flawed, but even if changed there will still be girls who go bidless or feel hurt, and sororities still have the right to invite, not invite, and rank and select members according to their own reasons.

This.

[Iu mom]

Originally Posted by Katmandu

In no greek system except for one, do all women who register have happy outcomes or self determine their ending. In every system, there are heartbreaks and bad outcomes. But ascribing deliberate malice, using loaded words, such as "bullying", and "hazing" is going too far in my opinion. Most people agree this particular system is flawed, but even if changed there will still be girls who go bidless or feel hurt, and sororities still have the right to invite, not invite, and rank and select members according to their own reasons.

I would be interested in knowing how many of the bidless women maximized their options and how many left off one or more chnpters from their final card. Maybe none, but I suspect more than a few.

It was striking to me how much all of the new members looked alike....really, really, alike.

My daughter completely maximized. She wanted to leave nothing to chance except of course the numbers game. And yes all look alike picture after picture