Indiana University 2014 Recruitment

[Lalucas]

paper resume vs personalities

I concur with FSUZETA above... you are all thinking like mom's in a rationale way...thinking that the rush process is about credentials like philanthropic activities instead of social aspects.

“In high school she was Homecoming court and prom princess as well as varsity dance captain and class secretary- and with a friend from home created an foundation that single handedly raised a quarter of a million dollars for a cancer family center after her friends dad passed from a brain tumor... She got a 3.5 gpa first semester at IU and participated at several campus philanthropic events-“
“did not get a bid, she has a very similar past, she was in the honor society , volunteered everyday with special needs all thru high school instead of taking study hall, has done mission work in Africa and The Dominican Republic.”


instead of like girls looking for future roommates and new sisters that will attract the "hot frats" to choose your house for homecoming. When girls are voting/discussing the PNM's would they even know the resume or GPA of your daughter? doubtful. Do you think it is a blind vote? the current members aren't looking at it that way...

What I"m trying to say is that it is unfortunate that the valuable contributitions that your daughters have already or will contribute to an adult society are not what is of value during recruitment. Philo events are not the main focus of IU sorority girls life... but parties and boys and drinking are. School work and intensive career choices like dance majors are not the emphasis for the sorority life that I see from my daughter and her friends who are all in various sororities at IU.

that said.. Dance Marathon is a big event in the fall where contacts and relationships can be made...that said word on the street is that many people join those committees for their resumes and the parties related to it. oh yeah there is that one weekend too.

[Iu mom]

Originally Posted by Lalucas

paper resume vs personalities

I concur with FSUZETA above... you are all thinking like mom's in a rationale way...thinking that the rush process is about credentials like philanthropic activities instead of social aspects.

“In high school she was Homecoming court and prom princess as well as varsity dance captain and class secretary- and with a friend from home created an foundation that single handedly raised a quarter of a million dollars for a cancer family center after her friends dad passed from a brain tumor... She got a 3.5 gpa first semester at IU and participated at several campus philanthropic events-“
“did not get a bid, she has a very similar past, she was in the honor society , volunteered everyday with special needs all thru high school instead of taking study hall, has done mission work in Africa and The Dominican Republic.”


instead of like girls looking for future roommates and new sisters that will attract the "hot frats" to choose your house for homecoming. When girls are voting/discussing the PNM's would they even know the resume or GPA of your daughter? doubtful. Do you think it is a blind vote? the current members aren't looking at it that way...

What I"m trying to say is that it is unfortunate that the valuable contributitions that your daughters have already or will contribute to an adult society are not what is of value during recruitment. Philo events are not the main focus of IU sorority girls life... but parties and boys and drinking are. School work and intensive career choices like dance majors are not the emphasis for the sorority life that I see from my daughter and her friends who are all in various sororities at IU.

that said.. Dance Marathon is a big event in the fall where contacts and relationships can be made...that said word on the street is that many people join those committees for their resumes and the parties related to it. oh yeah there is that one weekend too.

That is kind of sad my daughter was very social this fall not just participating in philanthropic events. Tailgating and such with all her friends who did get bids--- she made all her social media private because her rho gam suggested they do hat - maybe with those traits as ones they were looming for she should have kept them open for actives to see that while dedicated to her career choice of he long others - through kinesiology she still knew how to have a good Hoosier time- and what you are saying makes me hunk that YES in fact the two dance girls my daughter included that didn't get bids were in fact penalized for their chosen path and requirement to put in a conflict sheet for them perform during 12 party and rehearse during 21. It ended up she had a break during 21 when her rehearsal was but that conflict form was still in the hands of the houses prior to choosing for 12.
She will probably return to the process next year and once again attend all the events she did- she will also try to spend as much time as an independent with her friends who are now pledges at little 5... Shame it has come to her displaying her party side to get a bid to a house. So much for demure lol

[Lalucas]

on last word to all listening and especially IU Mom with the dancer daughter, I encourage all that great friendships are all around you. I would think that dancers would be a good example of a core group that will be friends forever much like sorority sisterhood, majors are another avenue for developing those friendship. in fact many on this site could probably tell you that freshman dorm friendships (both male and female) are strong bonds.

I was surprised by how much my daughter's HS friends mixed it up at social events since they all went to dif sororities. also once you become a Junior or over 21 whichever comes first... social life moves from the basement of the frat for free drinks to the bars downtown.

much more mixing of Greek and GDI at the bars so it opens up for all.

It is just easier when you all live together... easier to hang out and easier to become involved in the drama.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by CookiesNCream

No one ever said that those chapters have to bear the burden of taking more members than they can "comfortably accomodate." Why should ASA only have to take 45 girls when other housed chapters are forced to take more than that? They don't need to worry about issues that housed chapters do, such as not having enough beds, parking spots, food, or a comfortable living space (we already sleep in cold dorms and share rooms with 2+ people in order to fit as many people into the houses as possible). HUNDREDS of women are going unmatched this year so that chapters that originally colonized in order to give more women the opportunity to go greek can suddenly drastically reduce their quotas? That doesn't sound right to me.

Also I'm not sure why you put unhoused in quotes when that's what those chapters are. Do you want me to call them "off-campus" like many other people do? Because that's obviously incorrect terminology.

Originally Posted by CookiesNCream

Not once did I imply that Theta Phi and ASA should take all of the "rejects" who don't get bids from other chapters. But, since space to house women isn't an issue for them, I was curious as to why their quotas were lower than expected. They can very well pick and choose who they want; I'm sure that out of the 300 or so girls who went unmatched this year that there are girls who preferenced both chapters and didn't get them back.

Originally Posted by TPAGirlie

Tpan originally had 52. That is the number they have recruited at the last two years. College panhellenic asked all groups to consider a larger number and they increased to 65. Generally speaking they will be somewhere in the 185 range.

I'm sorry but this is BULLSHIT. Just because it's IU with the assy bed rush does not mean the right to membership selection should go out the window. If a chapter decides there are only 3 women coming through rush that meet the standards they have set locally and nationally - THEY ONLY HAVE TO TAKE THREE, they do not have to recruit to quota, if that's ok'ed by their regional/national leadership. That goes for ANY campus. Panhellenic has ZERO right to ask chapters to take women that don't match their standards, or to take more women than the chapter can handle internally. I'm proud as hell of my sisters for not caving to such a ridiculous and obviously discriminatory request.

Originally Posted by Lalucas

Can someone explain how transfer in works?

I know of several girls who did that at IU and became part of a house as sophomores that probably wouldn't have been chosen into as a freshman. are there policies etc? They probably don't have to take you but maybe they usually do....sisterhood and all.

for any future PNM thinking of IU and wanting to increase the odds of getting into an IU sorority... what about going somewhere else and joining a sorority there

No. No. No no no no no. This is awful and terrible and shady and rude and about a zillion other bad things.

[AOIILisa]

Originally Posted by Lalucas

Can someone explain how transfer in works?

I know of several girls who did that at IU and became part of a house as sophomores that probably wouldn't have been chosen into as a freshman. are there policies etc? They probably don't have to take you but maybe they usually do....sisterhood and all.

for any future PNM thinking of IU and wanting to increase the odds of getting into an IU sorority... what about going somewhere else and joining a sorority there

Originally Posted by 33girl

No. No. No no no no no. This is awful and terrible and shady and rude and about a zillion other bad things.

I guess I don't understand why this is wrong? Isn't a sister a sister no matter what school she goes to because aren't the ideals for a sorority (and I guess, the selection criteria) the same everywhere?

I know at least one person that did just that - came to my school to become an XYZ then promptly transferred out. And this was 30+ years ago.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by AOIILisa

I guess I don't understand why this is wrong? Isn't a sister a sister no matter what school she goes to because aren't the ideals for a sorority (and I guess, the selection criteria) the same everywhere?

I know at least one person that did just that - came to my school to become an XYZ then promptly transferred out. And this was 30+ years ago.

Most members in competitive greek systems know the score and do not appreciate this kind of scheming to get into a strong chapter. It is gamesmanship. It is one thing to legitimately transfer, but to intentionally rush at a school with an easier path to membership and then transfer to Difficult U is not appreciated. I would add that it shows a lack of respect to the sisters at Easy U.

[clemsongirl]

Originally Posted by AOIILisa

I guess I don't understand why this is wrong? Isn't a sister a sister no matter what school she goes to because aren't the ideals for a sorority (and I guess, the selection criteria) the same everywhere?

I know at least one person that did just that - came to my school to become an XYZ then promptly transferred out. And this was 30+ years ago.

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Most members in competitive greek systems know the score and do not appreciate this kind of scheming to get into a strong chapter. It is gamesmanship. It is one thing to legitimately transfer, but to intentionally rush at a school with an easier path to membership and then transfer to Difficult U is not appreciated. I would add that it shows a lack of respect to the sisters at Easy U.

What irishpipes said, plus a move like that completely defeats the purpose of attending a school for an education first and a social life second. It's one thing to join and then decide that you'd like to go to a different school for whatever reason, but deliberately transferring schools solely for the sake of attempting to join a prestigious chapter shows that you have those priorities backwards. Plus it can backfire pretty quickly if a chapter that isn't required to let transfers affiliate with them decides they don't want to take a transfer and leaves the transfer chapter-less.

[AOIILisa]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Most members in competitive greek systems know the score and do not appreciate this kind of scheming to get into a strong chapter. It is gamesmanship. It is one thing to legitimately transfer, but to intentionally rush at a school with an easier path to membership and then transfer to Difficult U is not appreciated. I would add that it shows a lack of respect to the sisters at Easy U.

Originally Posted by clemsongirl

What irishpipes said, plus a move like that completely defeats the purpose of attending a school for an education first and a social life second. It's one thing to join and then decide that you'd like to go to a different school for whatever reason, but deliberately transferring schools solely for the sake of attempting to join a prestigious chapter shows that you have those priorities backwards. Plus it can backfire pretty quickly if a chapter that isn't required to let transfers affiliate with them decides they don't want to take a transfer and leaves the transfer chapter-less.

I guess that makes sense. Bear in mind, I went to school at Easy U so a lot of these recruitment do's and don'ts are all new to me. I'm learning a lot, though, from being here so thanks for answering my question!

[pinkmama]

Originally Posted by AOIILisa

I guess I don't understand why this is wrong? Isn't a sister a sister no matter what school she goes to because aren't the ideals for a sorority (and I guess, the selection criteria) the same everywhere?

I know at least one person that did just that - came to my school to become an XYZ then promptly transferred out. And this was 30+ years ago.

When I was at IU we had a transfer from a school on the east coast. She spent about two weeks coming over for dinner, attending events with us and then during chapter we voted on accepting her into our house so I don't think transfers are always accepted. Now granted I don't think anyone voted "no" can't remember but I am sure it could happen.

[Sister Havana]

Originally Posted by pinkmama

When I was at IU we had a transfer from a school on the east coast. She spent about two weeks coming over for dinner, attending events with us and then during chapter we voted on accepting her into our house so I don't think transfers are always accepted. Now granted I don't think anyone voted "no" can't remember but I am sure it could happen.

I know of at least one time where it did happen at IU. One of my housemates junior year (mid-90s) transferred to IU from another school in-state where she had joined a sorority that also has a chapter at IU. She too went to many events with the IU chapter, but they ultimately voted not to let her affiliate with that chapter. She was really upset!

(Although it was somewhat of an unusual situation - she had had a baby at a very young age, and that child was being raised by her mother while my housemate was at school, and the members of the chapter found out about this - can't remember if it was because she told them or if someone just discovered it - and voted not to accept her because of that. That's what she told the rest of the housemates, at least - needless to say we were all shocked too since we had no idea!)

She did still wear letters after that, though - guessing she just had to take early alumna status.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by AOIILisa

I guess I don't understand why this is wrong? Isn't a sister a sister no matter what school she goes to because aren't the ideals for a sorority (and I guess, the selection criteria) the same everywhere?

I know at least one person that did just that - came to my school to become an XYZ then promptly transferred out. And this was 30+ years ago.

Yes, it used to be done - esp in the South where Susie had no chance to be an AAA at Big State U so she went to tiny state college and pledge AAA and then transferred to Big State U. These smaller institutions actually have a name associated with this - it's a "feeder school" because they feed additional members to the bigger school. Very frowned upon now....

[hopeful mom]

Originally Posted by Lalucas

paper resume vs personalities

I concur with FSUZETA above... you are all thinking like mom's in a rationale way...thinking that the rush process is about credentials like philanthropic activities instead of social aspects.

“In high school she was Homecoming court and prom princess as well as varsity dance captain and class secretary- and with a friend from home created an foundation that single handedly raised a quarter of a million dollars for a cancer family center after her friends dad passed from a brain tumor... She got a 3.5 gpa first semester at IU and participated at several campus philanthropic events-“
“did not get a bid, she has a very similar past, she was in the honor society , volunteered everyday with special needs all thru high school instead of taking study hall, has done mission work in Africa and The Dominican Republic.”


instead of like girls looking for future roommates and new sisters that will attract the "hot frats" to choose your house for homecoming. When girls are voting/discussing the PNM's would they even know the resume or GPA of your daughter? doubtful. Do you think it is a blind vote? the current members aren't looking at it that way...

What I"m trying to say is that it is unfortunate that the valuable contributitions that your daughters have already or will contribute to an adult society are not what is of value during recruitment. Philo events are not the main focus of IU sorority girls life... but parties and boys and drinking are. School work and intensive career choices like dance majors are not the emphasis for the sorority life that I see from my daughter and her friends who are all in various sororities at IU.

that said.. Dance Marathon is a big event in the fall where contacts and relationships can be made...that said word on the street is that many people join those committees for their resumes and the parties related to it. oh yeah there is that one weekend too.

I seriously don't know how to respond to this. I really try to keep things positive but I am just shocked that you said "instead of like girls looking for future roommates and new sisters that will attract the "hot frats" to choose your house for homecoming." and "Philo events are not the main focus of IU sorority girls life... but parties and boys and drinking are. School work and intensive career choices like dance majors are not the emphasis for the sorority life that I see from my daughter and her friends who are all in various sororities at IU." My daughter is gorgeous, and I'm sure everyone thinks their daughter is as well. She knows how to have a good time, but if she has to prove that she can "get drunk" and party to get into a sorority at IU I think I would rather her not get in. However you seem very proud that that is what your daughter spends her time doing... But truly not sure I would suggest that other successful girls do the same..

[Lalucas]

the fact that you are shocked that sororities consider frats and party invitations when choosing girls makes the need for my post even more apparent. But no, i am not proud of this but it is a fact of sorority life. If you heard the drunk party/formal stories that I have then you would understand better. And the Greeks that follow this thread could tell you even more. Sure sororities do great philo support(but why would they have to award points for participating if it was thier main focus of joining) but the social aspects are big ie which frat will (or wont pair with you). The other thing that people don't talk about is that certain frats always pair with certain sororities...quite the pecking order. why else do they spend all of this first week parading their new girls to the frats?

Hopeful Mom said....I am just shocked that you said "instead of like girls looking for future roommates and new sisters that will attract the "hot frats" to choose your house for homecoming." and "Philo events are not the main focus of IU sorority girls life... but parties and boys and drinking are. School work and intensive career choices like dance majors are not the emphasis for the sorority life that I see from my daughter and her friends who are all in various sororities at IU." My daughter is gorgeous, and I'm sure everyone thinks their daughter is as well. She knows how to have a good time,

but if she has to prove that she can "get drunk" and party to get into a sorority at IU I think I would rather her not get in. If she got in do you expect her to abstain from all frat events? maybe some girls do... sober drivers are always needed and appreciated by the other girls.