Zeta Tau Alpha at Tulane

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

nolagreek, total is set after recruitm

amIblue, FWIW, quota at AZ went from ~60 five years ago to 80-something this past fall (check irishpipes' thread) with most chapters taking quota plus. CRAZY.

Wow!

[LAblondeGPhi]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

nolagreek, total is set after recruitment. It has nothing to do with departing seniors. You have no idea or way of knowing what total will be until recruitment is completed. For now, it's 220. And chapter size will dip in the fall, that is correct. But not total! The CPC has to vote to raise or lower total.

Not to sound like I'm on nolagreek's side, because I'm not, but it looks like "At Tulane total is reset to the average chapter size each semester." Source.

That sounds like floating total to me, and would be affected both by number of recruits and average class size of departing seniors.

I don't agree with much of nolagreek's attitude, but I will say that she sounds somewhat knowledgeable about the situation. Hint to nolagreek: play nice and you'll get a better reception.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by LAblondeGPhi

I don't agree with much of nolagreek's attitude, but I will say that she sounds somewhat knowledgeable about the situation. Hint to nolagreek: play nice and you'll get a better reception.

Did not mean to come across snarky or testy, and if I did, I sincerely say I'm sorry for snarkiness or testiness. Should have used "we" and not "you" in that sentence.

[AZTheta]

Case in point: two chapters at AZ are significantly below total and have been for several years. One chapter has closed and recolonized at least twice; they recruit/do COB virtually year around and have not yet been able to "catch up". It is exhausting to do multiple recruitment events, not to mention new member education programs, and multiple initiations in an academic year. No one wants that for a colony/new chapter.

ADPi recolonized with the full support of the other chapters on campus, started out at (then) total and has been able to make quota every year since recolonizing. I expect the same for AXO, who will recolonize this Fall.

Let me do the math again. Hypothetically speaking: ZTA has 140 next fall, all the other chapters have 170-180. That's a gap of 30-40 members. And with total at 220, they would have to successfully recruit 80 new members, while everyone else needs 40-50. That's HUGE. And a lot to put on a colony.

It's most difficult when total keeps getting raised, due to increased numbers of PNMs. The gap widens and doesn't decrease.

[Gusteau]

I've been following this thread with quite a bit of interest. ZTA made a decision that was well within their rights and sovereignty as an organization. Discussion beyond that is really moot point.

Since discussion persists I will say that looking at these numbers it's plain to see that results were not conducive to having a competitive chapter. I won't make a judgement call on the party at fault for that. If you think 150 could have been competitive I don't believe you have an understanding of the inter/national perspective, or how things work at the headquarters level.

[amIblue?]

What a nightmare to reset total each semester!

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

What a nightmare to reset total each semester!

This is recommended now for campuses using RFM.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

This is recommended now for campuses using RFM.

Oh, I thought it was once a year after formal recruitment. My mistake.

[gatordeltapgh]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

This is recommended now for campuses using RFM.

I don't want to split hairs with anyone but I wanted to clarify that this is a two-tier total situation that is reserved for deferred recruitment campuses only. It Is not really a nightmare because when a CPH passes the two-tier model they typically stipulate "fall total will be set to X (usually average chapter size) at Y week of school" etc, then we reset again using the NPC recommended methods after formal recruitment.

When it was first discussed at NPC I didn't see the value, but this option is very helpful in achieving parity on a deferred campus.

[nolagreek]

Yes, at Tulane total is set twice a year to average chapter size - once after recruitment and once in the fall. The CPC does not vote each time - this is set in their by-laws which are voted on each year - not each semester. It does help to achieve parity but because an average is used about half of the chapters can offer a few COB each semester if they choose to. Sorry if I offended anyone but I thought the actual numbers at Tulane might be interesting to some.

[amIblue?]

Actually it does make sense at a deferred recruitment campus.

[FSUZeta]

"Schafer said that she thought ZTA seeks to meet Tulane’s sorority average membership of 236 students."

This statement in the article infers that 236 is the average chapter size at Tulane, not the number of members in the largest chapter as nolagreek stated. Anyone know which is correct?

Of course, we have seen some humdingers of mistakes made in student newspapers.

[faithful.sister]

The latest article from our school's newspaper

http://www.thehullabaloo.com/news/ar...a4bcf6878.html

[WCsweet<3]

I've been reading this thread, but not responding as I know little of the process. What I find interesting is in each of the articles, there seems to be an emphasis that ZTA was not offering bids to every women. For instance from the second article:

said she did not understand why ZTA was cutting women while looking for more members.

Do they really expect a new organization to take every woman who shows up?

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by WCsweet<3

Do they really expect a new organization to take every woman who shows up?

Of course they do. People come to college and have not had the experience of having to compete for a spot unless it was the school play or a sport. The idea of competing for a spot in a club is a new concept to them. So I can't say I blame them for feeling miffed that they expressed interest, were passed over, the organization sought more people, couldn't fill the spots and ultimately decided not to colonize.

I'm not saying theirs is the right mentality, but I can appreciate their frustration. They're saying, "Hey! A bunch of us right here want to do this! We put in the time! We did our research! Don't look for other people after we showed you were interested! Don't leave!" They're going to take it personally.