Pope of Rome to Step Down

[Gusteau]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

Then what did you mean by the 2nd quote? Because that's exactly how I took it? Suggesting there needs to be a "change in inclusivity" means to me that you think that the Church has an exclusivity problem.

Well it does have an exclusivity problem, but that problem is not about race. The LGBT community would be a good example, but that's a personal bias and I'd rather not derail this thread.

[SWTXBelle]

- slight hijack - That's how we've always done it in the Anglican use community so when the "change" happened we were scratching our heads - "Change? What change?".

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

I know it wasn't Bene16 per se, but the correction happened under his Papacy, so thus I blame him for all my blunders! "And with your spirit" hasn't been as much of a problem for me as the little one word changes here and there throughout the Mass... "Consubstantial", for one!

Actually it was John Paul the Second who ordered the revision started, but it wasn't completed for a very long time. Also I sometimes find myself going into Rite I language when I visit a RC, which is similar but has some differences.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

- slight hijack - That's how we've always done it in the Anglican use community so when the "change" happened we were scratching our heads - "Change? What change?".

Rite Ier

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by Gusteau

Well it does have an exclusivity problem, but that problem is not about race. The LGBT community would be a good example, but that's a personal bias and I'd rather not derail this thread.

Fair enough, but I was discussing a race/ethnicity issue so when you mentioned how a Pope of non-Anglo race/ethnicity wouldn't change an "exclusivity problem", one would believe you were talking about the Church having an exclusivity problem with regard to race.

Back to your regularly scheduled thread...

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

- slight hijack - That's how we've always done it in the Anglican use community so when the "change" happened we were scratching our heads - "Change? What change?".

This cracks me up - I have attended an Anglican church before and I know exactly what you speak of! Us lame RC's are just now catching up.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

This cracks me up - I have attended an Anglican church before and I know exactly what you speak of! Us lame RC's are just now catching up.

To clarify, Anglican use IS RC - actually, it's now the Anglican Ordinariate.

http://www.themiscellany.org/index.p...riate-answered

So we are as RC as any other Roman Catholics - and I wouldn't touch the "lame" designation with 10 foot pole!

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

To clarify, Anglican use IS RC - actually, it's now the Anglican Ordinariate.

http://www.themiscellany.org/index.p...riate-answered

So we are as RC as any other Roman Catholics - and I wouldn't touch the "lame" designation with 10 foot pole!

As soon as I hit "submit" I knew I was misspeaking...didn't mean to imply that Anglican use/parishioner =/= RC! I absolutely know better. Then I had to run to pick up a child at the school bus & there was no time to edit!

(ps - I just learned how to spell - it's telling me I misspelled "parishoner". Had no idea there was a 2nd "i"...had to go to Dictionary.com to figure out the right spelling!) The more you know...

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

As soon as I hit "submit" I knew I was misspeaking...didn't mean to imply that Anglican use/parishioner =/= RC! I absolutely know better. Then I had to run to pick up a child at the school bus & there was no time to edit!

(ps - I just learned how to spell - it's telling me I misspelled "parishoner". Had no idea there was a 2nd "i"...had to go to Dictionary.com to figure out the right spelling!) The more you know...

It's all good - there are many who don't quite understand the whole Anglican Ordinariate thing and since I'm married to an Anglican (Not Anglican Ordinariate or RC at all) priest it gets extra-special confusing for those who talk to me!

[aephi alum]

This past Sunday, I went to Mass for the first time in years. (I was raised Catholic and converted to Judaism 14 years ago.) This was at my parents' parish, where I had attended Mass every weekend as a child. To make a very long story very short, my mother is very ill, so my husband and I were visiting her (in hospital) and my father, and we had to drive him to church.

When the wording changes were made, there were cards placed at every pew with the changes. Those cards are still there, even though the new wording is stated in the missalette.

Time was that I could get through a Mass without the missalette. Frell - I was a lector! Now it seems like everything has changed - even the Eucharistic prayer is worded differently. I was sitting there (as a non-Catholic, I sit rather than kneel during the Eucharistic prayer) thinking, "Where are the words I grew up with?"

Anyway, as to the Pope, if he feels he's not up to leading a Church consisting of over a million people, it's probably for the best that he step down and serve in whatever capacity he can serve. Hopefully a new Pope can be selected and in place in time for Easter.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

"And with your spirit" has been a pain in the ass for me to remember, even a year after the change.

Originally Posted by shirley1929

"And with your spirit" hasn't been as much of a problem for me as the little one word changes here and there throughout the Mass... "Consubstantial", for one!

Kind of an ecumenical pain as well. One of the benefits of the post-Vatican II era was the cooperation between RC, Anglican (except, as Belle notes, some in the AngloCatholic community, who continued to use older versions) and Protestant liturgical groups that resulted in common texts used by all groups. "And also with you" was one product of that, as was the previous version of the creed -- the one without "consubstantial."

I understand the desire/need for the Latin to be accurately translated, but I do hate that the ecumenical consensus has been lost.