Rec girl going through at Wake Forest this week!

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by 33girl

If the locals had that bad a rep, why did national sororities admit such women into their bonds to begin with?

The concept of a national organization = magic fairy pixie dust never ceases to amaze me. If people haze when they are locally affiliated, they'll haze when they're nationally, regionally or universally affiliated, unless the national group majorly cleans house and keeps an eye on them (as in, a live-in eye) for the first several years. Organizations are made up of humans. Humans are what haze, not organizations.

The University of Kentucky (UK) only allows GLOs that have an (inter)national HQ, staff, “national” by-laws etc. The reason, and I'm not completely sure of the official wording, is for legal and risk management purposes – i.e. protect the University as much as possible if hazing (and other risk management issues) occur. Many other colleges have similar “national only” policies and I suspect Wake may be one of them.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by TSteven

The University of Kentucky (UK) only allows GLOs that have an (inter)national HQ, staff, “national” by-laws etc. The reason, and I'm not completely sure of the official wording, is for legal and risk management purposes – i.e. protect the University as much as possible if hazing (and other risk management issues) occur. Many other colleges have similar “national only” policies and I suspect Wake may be one of them.

Sure, but the question raised by 33girl is why the NPC groups would want to be at Wake, not the other way around.

[carnation]

33 and DBB, I think that the nationals didn't realize that the locals would go on hazing like they did. There are now several national NPCs that won't take on an already formed local for that reason; they told us that emphatically when Shorter's locals approached the nationals.

[adpiucf]

I've done expansion research for my sorority previously, and I looked at certain things like what organizations are already on campus, how many of our alumnae were in the area, if we had alumnae associations and chapters close by, etc. I never would have stopped to consider the hazing culture, if any, at those schools, or how I would come by such information.

What I'm getting to is that the NPCs seeking to expand obviously considered a broad range of factors before making expansion presentations. I'm satisfied these organizations know how to recruit and vet prospective members, and clean house when they deem it absolutely necessary. Not all members of an interest group will go on to become sisters.

Additionally, you can only go by the actual evidence you have in front of you. I know from experience as a former adviser (and I am sure all of you can identify with this) how easy it is for members to lie to your face and give the appearance of following all the rules... when in fact they are not, they've actually taken a page straight out of Lord of the Flies and nothing is going to stop them. Until they get caught.

Clearly replacing a sorority's name from a local to an NPC isn't going to make them stop hazing. But with the education measures and sanctions in place, it has a better chance of dying off. This of course supposes that there is adequate supervision and members who actually follow the rules.

[33girl]

^^This particular instance/school seems to me to be above and beyond the regular due diligence that gets done. As I mentioned in MC, it seems like WFU likes the idea of cultivating a strong school culture - which would include things like longstanding local GLOs/societies - but doesn't want to suck it up and take responsibility for the "unique" social life. Can't have it both ways.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Sure, but the question raised by 33girl is why the NPC groups would want to be at Wake, not the other way around.

Wake is a desirable campus and I suspect the NPCs felt the “new” chapters would no longer haze. At the same time, I suspect that the Wake administration may have felt (hoped) that now having national (NPC) oversight, hazing would end.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by TSteven

Wake is a desirable campus and I suspect the NPCs felt the “new” chapters would no longer haze. At the same time, I suspect that the Wake administration may have felt (hoped) that now having national (NPC) oversight, hazing would end.

Yeah, it just seems a bit naive, that's all.