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Old 01-18-2013, 03:42 AM
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I thought all PHA Masons are F&AM? Or is it where all PHA Masons are F&AM, but not all F&AM Masons are PHA?

Yeah, I think I read somewhere that Catholics were not allowed to be a Mason because of what an old Pope said, but there are a lot of things the Popes and I don't agree on. I just didn't know if it had been done before.

Yeah, that's what I was nervous about. Well hopefully once I graduate I can become more involved with the community and meet more PHA members and hopefully one of them might know. I just loved how the Auxiliary was able to really combine both serving the African American community as well as the RC side.

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Old 01-18-2013, 11:17 AM
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Yeah, I think I read somewhere that Catholics were not allowed to be a Mason because of what an old Pope said, but there are a lot of things the Popes and I don't agree on. I just didn't know if it had been done before.
It's a little more than something an old pope said. Canon law of the Catholic Church prohibits Catholics from becoming masons under penalty of excommunication, and has since 1738. Per the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1983, "the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion." FWIW, this statement from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was written by the current pope, with the approval of JPII.

A 1985 letter of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, which determined that "that the principles of Masonry are incompatible with Christian faith and practice whether or not a specific Masonic organization happens to be engaging in activity against the church," can be found here. That document gives a good summary of the various reasons that the Catholic Church prohibits membership in masonic groups.

That said, there have certainly been Catholics who have joined masonic lodges, and there have been those who believe that the ban doesn't apply unless a masonic organization is actively opposing the Catholic Church.
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:49 PM
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I thought all PHA Masons are F&AM? Or is it where all PHA Masons are F&AM, but not all F&AM Masons are PHA?
It's more of a case where there really is no satisfactory term to distinguish "mainstream" Freemasonry from PHA. I suppose the closest thing would be United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) Freemasonry, but many PHA Grand Lodges are starting to gain Masonic recognition from UGLE. *shrugs* And certainly there have been Catholic Masons and Eastern Stars. Just as there have been Catholics who have abortions, or support capital punishment or make use of birth control. A lot of it would depend on whither or not the Auxiliary chapter you are looking for membership in holds the same view as a local Benedictine monastery I know. "Rome is very far away."

And a final note on the naming thing. In the US, all grand lodges are free to style themselves they wish. Thus in the US you have Ancient Free & Accepted Masons (AF&AM, the way my lodge does it and thus the right way.), Free & Accepted Masons, (F&AM) FA&AM (I think it's something like Free Ancient and Accepted Masons) and I think like A&AM (Ancient and Accepted Masons).
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