Univ.of Illinois Recruitment FALL 2012

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by HQWest

I dont have five years of numbers but from the powerpoint shiwn to parents at Camp War Eagle that is online, the AU numbers are comparable to Bama. Less than 2 percent are released from recruitment. The number of withdrawals after round one is higher at Auburn - I have been told this is because of girls tht sign up so they can move in early or who are overwhelmed by the crowds.

You’re right – looked up some Auburn numbers from a presentation (probably the powerpoint you are referring to):
https://fp.auburn.edu/greek/Files/2012cweforweb.pdf

Auburn stats from years 2008-2011 combined, along with comments that accompany stats:

Withdrew from recruitment: 9.74% (most over not receiving a desired invitation)
Released during week (in process): 3.13%
Released Bid Day: 2.2% (all neglected to maximize pref options)
Placed in chapters: 84.94%

I tried to find some numbers for a variety of other schools reputed to have very competitive recruitments (UGA, USC, and SMU), but was not able to find comparable numbers.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

You’re right – looked up some Auburn numbers from a presentation (probably the powerpoint you are referring to):
https://fp.auburn.edu/greek/Files/2012cweforweb.pdf

Auburn stats from years 2008-2011 combined, along with comments that accompany stats:

Withdrew from recruitment: 9.74% (most over not receiving a desired invitation)
Released during week (in process): 3.13%
Released Bid Day: 2.2% (all neglected to maximize pref options)
Placed in chapters: 84.94%

I tried to find some numbers for a variety of other schools reputed to have very competitive recruitments (UGA, USC, and SMU), but was not able to find comparable numbers.

Okay, but while the numbers of totally released women are small, they are still much higher at Auburn and Bama than at Illinois. 3% of 1000+ women is 30+ women, which is 15 times higher. Of course, I wouldn't draw any conclusions based on one year of statistics, though.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Okay, but while the numbers of totally released women are small, they are still much higher at Auburn and Bama than at Illinois. 3% of 1000+ women is 30+ women, which is 15 times higher. Of course, I wouldn't draw any conclusions based on one year of statistics, though.

Yes, part of the problem with comparing numbers may be how the numbers are reported. The Auburn numbers appear to be a 4-year average, while IL and AL are same-year comparisons.

Is it possible that the number of girls who withdraw (proportionately) could affect the release numbers over the week? Thoughts?

Illinois (2010): approx 26% of PNMs withdrew during process
Alabama (2010): approx 10% withdrew during process
Auburn (average years 2008-11): 9.74% withdrew during process

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

Yes, part of the problem with comparing numbers may be how the numbers are reported. The Auburn numbers appear to be a 4-year average, while IL and AL are same-year comparisons.

Is it possible that the number of girls who withdraw (proportionately) could affect the release numbers over the week? Thoughts?

Illinois (2010): approx 26% of PNMs withdrew during process
Alabama (2010): approx 10% withdrew during process
Auburn (average years 2008-11): 9.74% withdrew during process

Its hard to say because the Alabama numbers have the Alpha Phi and DG expansions to take into account which might also increase withdrawals.

I can say the Auburn number is a little off year to year because they were showing that most of the women who withdraw after first round were withdrawing before day 1 was over in 2011 or before they saw their invitations for round two. That might be attributed to the horrible heat wave last year.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by HQWest

Its hard to say because the Alabama numbers have the Alpha Phi and DG expansions to take into account which might also increase withdrawals.

The numbers I used for AL (and IL) were for 2010, which was not a year affected by an AL expansion. But you are correct -- the numbers during years of expansion (2008 and 2011) were considerably affected – big increases in girls withdrawing after receiving pref invites, and also in the “not receiving bids” column. Many girls probably withdrew upon receiving pref invites -- and others purposely did not maximize pref options -- knowing that a colonizing option was available following formal recruitment (the vast majority of the colonizing chapters’ new members were girls who participated in formal recruitment).

UofA stats by year (click on document to enlarge): http://img.docstoccdn.com/thumb/orig/121342940.png

Originally Posted by HQWest

I can say the Auburn number is a little off year to year because they were showing that most of the women who withdraw after first round were withdrawing before day 1 was over in 2011 or before they saw their invitations for round two. That might be attributed to the horrible heat wave last year.

Good point – the Illinois and Alabama numbers were specifically 2010, and only those who withdrew during the process (after open house). Seriously – the prospect of standing in the heat for a week could cause some girls to change their minds after signing up or before ever receiving any invitations!

But I what I was actually wondering about is ... if the withdrawal numbers at Illinois were smaller (this number is huge compared to AL and Auburn), would this potentially affect (raise) somewhat the number of girls released through the process?

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

But I what I was actually wondering about is ... if the withdrawal numbers at Illinois were smaller (this number is huge compared to AL and Auburn), would this potentially affect (raise) somewhat the number of girls released through the process?

The number would increase a little bit, but I do not think that much (not 15%!), because the RFM would account for it and corresponding numbers of invitiations allowed out would increase.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by HQWest

The number would increase a little bit, but I do not think that much (not 15%!), because the RFM would account for it and corresponding numbers of invitiations allowed out would increase.

I’m not sure what you mean by 15% -- I’m probably not explaining myself very well.

Using the 2010 numbers from IL and AL, since these are comparable, it seems that the percentages of girls released from recruitment are so small that it might be easier to look at raw numbers:

IL: Released by all chapters (through pref invites): 2 of 1258
AL: Released by all chapters (through pref invites): 16 of 1604

But that there is huge disparity between withdrawal numbers and percentages:

IL: Total Withdrawals up to and following pref: 325 of 1258 (approx. 26% of PNMs withdrew during recruitment process)
AL: Total withdrawals up to and following pref: 154 of 1604 (approx. 10% of PNMs withdrew during recruitment process)

I kinda see what you are saying about RFM compensating over the course of the week – but wondered if more girls had continued in recruitment at IL, if some of these may have been subject to release by all chapters at some point.

Why are the withdrawal numbers at IL so high? Any thoughts?