University of Illinois/Urbana-Champaign Recruitment

[IL Anchor Girl]

Clara Mom, I don't want to provide any details that would potentially identify the PNM or the active who confided in her and make a bad situation worse. I continue to feel it shouldn't have gone down this way, and the comments here seem to confirm that.

The next days are going to be rough for her as she watches her roommates and dorm floor friends get their bids. I hope she'll look into informal, but I don't know how many houses really do it, and/or if her heart will be in it.

The main thing is, if what happened was actually accurate, it would be good to make it a LOT more clear for freshmen PNMs so they know exactly what GPA they are being considered on - their H.S. GPA (as this young lady assumed), or a summer transfer grade.

Good luck to all the young ladies at Bid Day today!!

[AOII Angel]

Note to self, don't recommend anyone take a difficult course the summer before recruitment. Wow! That's sad.

[TriDeltaSallie]

I can imagine membership discussions going something like this...

"She had a 3.5 in high school."

"But she got a 2.0 in calculus at CC and she was only taking one class. How well is she going to handle four classes here?"

When there are so many women to choose from, chapters don't need to play the "what if" game with PNMs with sketchy grades. They can just release them because they already have so many others from which to choose.

That said, it is really unfortunate.

[HQWest]

Granted this would be on a chapter by chapter based requirement - but chapters have a grade requirement to initiate, too. If her summer class grade was a C for some chapters that would be too low to be allowed to be initiated after pledging - which would be just as sad as getting cut after recruitment.

Some don't count summer sessions for keeping track of who is in good standing, but some do, and that is probably part of the problem as well.

Her best bet is to do the best she can this semester, and try again or hope for a possibility to COB.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by HQWest

Granted this would be on a chapter by chapter based requirement - but chapters have a grade requirement to initiate, too.

Gosh, that is surprising. How would that work? Virtually every chapter that I'm familiar with (at Arizona and elsewhere) initiates within six-eight weeks of pledging/bid acceptance, and AFAIK, there's no 6-8 week quarter system or semester system. So freshmen new members are initiated prior to ever receiving any college grades. Granted, there may be a chapter here and there that delays initiation until after a quarter or semester is completed...and maybe someone on GC can comment on that.

The only grade requirement I'm aware of is that pertaining to eligibility for recruitment.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

Gosh, that is surprising. How would that work? Virtually every chapter that I'm familiar with (at Arizona and elsewhere) initiates within six-eight weeks of pledging/bid acceptance, and AFAIK, there's no 6-8 week quarter system or semester system. So freshmen new members are initiated prior to ever receiving any college grades. Granted, there may be a chapter here and there that delays initiation until after a quarter or semester is completed...and maybe someone on GC can comment on that.

The only grade requirement I'm aware of is that pertaining to eligibility for recruitment.

The problem in this case is that she has a previous college GPA that is too low from that one summer class. Some would have to count her as having a college GPA - but too low to initiate. So panhellenic let her go through recruitment, but some chapters might be wary of giving her a bid. Its one more reason the system often favors freshmen.

[DG Illinois]

What just happened?

So while I have been sharing about my niece's rush, I do have other girls I wrote recs for and know very well. So I just had the craziest thing happen with a pnm that suicided.

PNM loves house A, B,C,D. She goes to all their parties, but loses A,B and C when the invites for pref night come. She goes to D, E, and F but suicided D last night.
So she's waiting for the call that she lost D or planning to go to Bid Day pick up.
She gets a call, she didn't match and did not get house D, but House A who she did not pref (because she was cut) has extended her a bid.
Here is where I'm confused...House A is a highly selective house that cut drastically throughout rush. Yes, she would love to be in house A, she loved them from the beginning. What happened? Was this where RFM made some of the houses cut too drastically and they didn't make quota? I've never seen this happen before and not with this particular house. My pnm is thrilled and really confused, as am I, so that is why she knows as she had to go to the office and fill something out.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DG Illinois

What just happened?

So while I have been sharing about my niece's rush, I do have other girls I wrote recs for and know very well. So I just had the craziest thing happen with a pnm that suicided.

PNM loves house A, B,C,D. She goes to all their parties, but loses A,B and C when the invites for pref night come. She goes to D, E, and F but suicided D last night.
So she's waiting for the call that she lost D or planning to go to Bid Day pick up.
She gets a call, she didn't match and did not get house D, but House A who she did not pref (because she was cut) has extended her a bid.
Here is where I'm confused...House A is a highly selective house that cut drastically throughout rush. Yes, she would love to be in house A, she loved them from the beginning. What happened? Was this where RFM made some of the houses cut too drastically and they didn't make quota? I've never seen this happen before and not with this particular house. My pnm is thrilled and really confused, as am I, so that is why she knows as she had to go to the office and fill something out.

Yes.

It's not necessarily that they cut too drastically - they cut based on their retention rates from previous years. It's just that the girls they kept chose another group. Unfortunately RFM does not come with the Carnac Mind Reading Turban.

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by DG Illinois

What just happened?

So while I have been sharing about my niece's rush, I do have other girls I wrote recs for and know very well. So I just had the craziest thing happen with a pnm that suicided.

PNM loves house A, B,C,D. She goes to all their parties, but loses A,B and C when the invites for pref night come. She goes to D, E, and F but suicided D last night.
So she's waiting for the call that she lost D or planning to go to Bid Day pick up.
She gets a call, she didn't match and did not get house D, but House A who she did not pref (because she was cut) has extended her a bid.
Here is where I'm confused...House A is a highly selective house that cut drastically throughout rush. Yes, she would love to be in house A, she loved them from the beginning. What happened? Was this where RFM made some of the houses cut too drastically and they didn't make quota? I've never seen this happen before and not with this particular house. My pnm is thrilled and really confused, as am I, so that is why she knows as she had to go to the office and fill something out.

Hooray for a happy ending!

[DG Illinois]

Originally Posted by KDCat

Hooray for a happy ending!

Thanks so much! I cannot wait to talk with my niece, her best friend and the other girls. Now that rush is over, I can tell you my niece loved her pref night, but she said all the pnms at her party were raving about the party too so she was happy she loved all 3 so she didn't have to stress out too much!

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by DG Illinois

What just happened?

So while I have been sharing about my niece's rush, I do have other girls I wrote recs for and know very well. So I just had the craziest thing happen with a pnm that suicided.

PNM loves house A, B,C,D. She goes to all their parties, but loses A,B and C when the invites for pref night come. She goes to D, E, and F but suicided D last night.
So she's waiting for the call that she lost D or planning to go to Bid Day pick up.
She gets a call, she didn't match and did not get house D, but House A who she did not pref (because she was cut) has extended her a bid.
Here is where I'm confused...House A is a highly selective house that cut drastically throughout rush. Yes, she would love to be in house A, she loved them from the beginning. What happened? Was this where RFM made some of the houses cut too drastically and they didn't make quota? I've never seen this happen before and not with this particular house. My pnm is thrilled and really confused, as am I, so that is why she knows as she had to go to the office and fill something out.

Your girl was picked up in a snap bid. Seems weird that this is now the 2nd big school that seems to have chapters not making quota using RFM. Interesting.

House A may be a very strong recruiting house. RFM is targeting a quota of say 50 so their releases all week reflect that number along with their statistical information from the last 3 years. RFM then ups quota say even 10 to 60 OR Chapter has a bad preference, but doesn't end up matching as many women and viola no quota for a strong Chapter. Weird, but true. I just lived it.

[DG Illinois]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

Your girl was picked up in a snap bid. Seems weird that this is now the 2nd big school that seems to have chapters not making quota using RFM. Interesting.

House A may be a very strong recruiting house. RFM is targeting a quota of say 50 so their releases all week reflect that number along with their statistical information from the last 3 years. RFM then ups quota say even 10 to 60 OR Chapter has a bad preference, but doesn't end up matching as many women and viola no quota for a strong Chapter. Weird, but true. I just lived it.

I know, never in the years I was in school or writing recs have I ever heard a story like this. She was a double legacy to the house that cut her before pref party and then extended her a bid today.

[arrowlady]

Originally Posted by DG Illinois

I know, never in the years I was in school or writing recs have I ever heard a story like this. She was a double legacy to the house that cut her before pref party and then extended her a bid today.

So very happy for her and her family!

Can't wait to hear about the rest of the girls

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by DG Illinois

I know, never in the years I was in school or writing recs have I ever heard a story like this. She was a double legacy to the house that cut her before pref party and then extended her a bid today.

We were always encouraged at U of I to turn in a snap list. Because everyone invited to pref is on your bid list somewhere, the snap list is generally made up of women invited to 2nd invitational but not pref.

[arrowlady]

What time do they get their bids today