Casey Anthony Trial

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

Alleged sexual abuse*

This is all alleged. DUH. Sooooo, you don't disagree with what I said in that post? Oh nooooooo, you're so confuuuuuuuuused.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

Alleged sexual abuse*

That's not how it works. Go fuck yourself.

Originally Posted by HannahXO

While I agree that race/class issues play a part in all of this, there is a simpler explanation: there was a suspect, with a clear motive, on trial. It was not a perfect case, so there was a lot of suspense involved. She had a chance of being caught. Those three other children? Who knows if there was even a suspect. Or conversely, it was a cut-and-dry conviction with no drama. This was interesting to the public because there was a 50-50 chance of someone going to jail for this little girl's murder. Only 50-50, no more, no less. (OK not technically if you get into the statistical analysis, but the simplified version is that there were 2 possible outcomes- conviction or acquittal.)

But we cared before there was a trial. And the same biases affect media coverage of investigations, and thus the quality and thoroughness of the investigations. The fact that 'drama' is how we decide what we care about is not particularly more promising. And we don't cover cases involving minorities the same way because it's not dramatic... why? Because of the bigotry of low/shitty expectations?

I still come down to what do WE as the viewers do about it? Stop watching Nancy Grace and the like might be something, but what else?

Will any kind of investigation continue? While I personally believe Casey is veryyy guilty, I can see how there was not enough evidence to convict her. And while she cannot be tried again, will there be any investigation to absolutely rule out other suspects? If Casey is innocent (actually innocent, not just "not guilty") then someone who killed this child is walking free. How does the justice system handle that?

If they don't have any other suspects, or at least strong suspects, then no, they probably won't do anything unless they think they can convict her for something else (or someone else for accessory or something). The justice system did its job, the prosecutors apparently didn't, but the system did.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

That's not how it works. Go fuck yourself.

As it pertains to the case, they were accusations of sexual abuse.

As it pertains to her overall condition and circumstances, completely different.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This is all alleged. DUH. Sooooo, you don't disagree with what I said in that post? Oh nooooooo, you're so confuuuuuuuuused.

Oh, guys. Thanks for making my morning go faster. I will now turn the foyer light on at exactly noon in honor of DrPhil's entertainment.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

That's not how it works. Go fuck yourself.

Yeah, actually it is. Thats why Baez was ordered to not mention it in closing.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by agzg

Yes, you did say that she would call people racist. Unless there's a way to condemn someone for being racist without calling them racist that I've yet to hear about. Is that something they teach you in willfully ignorant school?

Originally Posted by katydidKD

Yes.

???

I think I need to say this before it gets crazier.

She is NOT my sockpuppet. I have no qualms trolling a thread with my actual handle.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Oh, guys. Thanks for making my morning go faster. I will now turn the foyer light on at exactly noon in honor of DrPhil's entertainment.

This thread wasn't supposed to be entertaining. It isn't my fault.

Drolefille, as for what can be done, there are already people working tirelessly. That includes those of us who are doing things. This won't stop the media from only covering the cases that the public wants to see. However, without people who work tirelessly locally, nationally, and internationally, shows like Nancy Grace's (I acknowledge the positive things she has done) that cover the missing and killed who aren't covered in other media outlets, would not exist. All is not lost, there is enough compassion to go around.

[HannahXO]

Wow that escalated fast.


And Drollefille, I agree- drama isn't a better way to decide our investment in a case, it's just another factor is why we were so riveted.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

As it pertains to the case, they were accusations of sexual abuse.

As it pertains to her overall condition and circumstances, completely different.

Alleged being only used in the court system, unless someone's on trial for the abuse it's not considered 'alleged.' It seemed that it was Casey's abuse, not her allegedly abusing her child, that was referring to, yes? (See what I did there?)

I was listening to an interesting NPR segment on rape victims in the justice system and one of the prosecutors made that pretty clear and I'm rather fond of the definition.

[AZTheta]

/minor swerve...

This thread = multiple sources for a new signature quote. I do think I have selected a winner...

and, with all the karma talk being spouted off everywhere I turn, I offer this from last night's reading and meditation:

‎"All that we are is the result of what we have thought: it is founded on our thoughts. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, suffering follows him, as the wheel follows the hoof of the beast that draws the wagon." The Dhammapada verse 1 chapter 1 "Karma"

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

But we cared before there was a trial. And the same biases affect media coverage of investigations, and thus the quality and thoroughness of the investigations. The fact that 'drama' is how we decide what we care about is not particularly more promising. And we don't cover cases involving minorities the same way because it's not dramatic... why? Because of the bigotry of low/shitty expectations?

I still come down to what do WE as the viewers do about it? Stop watching Nancy Grace and the like might be something, but what else?

.

There isn't anything else you can do. The moment the media became a money making ratings gathering entity, you are subject to the bottom dollar. Unfortunately these cases fall into legislating the heart. You can do things like this and bring up the fact that we all have biases that affect us, but it will take time and a wait and see approach because just as much as it took time to get us here, it will take time to get us out of it. So the media will continue to feed the masses what they want.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I was listening to an interesting NPR segment on rape victims in the justice system and one of the prosecutors made that pretty clear and I'm rather fond of the definition.

So that's the legal definition and not a particular prosecutor's definition?

As the trial is concerned, you're right that the point wasn't to prove she was really sexually abused. But, that doesn't make the abuse not an accusation.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

So that's the legal definition and not a particular prosecutor's definition?

As the trial is concerned, you're right that the point wasn't to prove she was really sexually abused. But, that doesn't make the abuse not an accusation.

More that 'alleged' is only a legal term. A victim, any victim, is treated like a victim and not an 'alleged' victim. An investigation will obviously look at a victim's story and whether or not there is dishonesty, but we as society rarely say that someone suffered alleged armed robbery and only cast doubt on (generally women's but men's too) sexual abuse/assault claims.

But outside of the media using it to cover their asses for lawsuits, there's not really a reason to use it other than to cast doubt. (The suspect would be the alleged abuser/rapist/etc. though, that's where it matters.)

Originally Posted by BluPhire

There isn't anything else you can do. The moment the media became a money making ratings gathering entity, you are subject to the bottom dollar. Unfortunately these cases fall into legislating the heart. You can do things like this and bring up the fact that we all have biases that affect us, but it will take time and a wait and see approach because just as much as it took time to get us here, it will take time to get us out of it. So the media will continue to feed the masses what they want.

So, how do we as the masses change that?

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This thread wasn't supposed to be entertaining. It isn't my fault.

Drolefille, as for what can be done, there are already people working tirelessly. That includes those of us who are doing things. This won't stop the media from only covering the cases that the public wants to see. However, without people who work tirelessly locally, nationally, and internationally, shows like Nancy Grace's (I acknowledge the positive things she has done) that cover the missing and killed who aren't covered in other media outlets, would not exist. All is not lost, there is enough compassion to go around.

I don't think all is lost, this is more of a practical 'what can be done' as well as a 'what other news sources are out there' to change up the message that goes out. And what would the ideal message that went out be?

[DrPhil]

We are now part of the Internet/media storm over this case. I apologize for being that which I despise.

[Shellfish]

/swerve

I was astonished to see on World News Tonight a couple of nights ago scenes of people fighting to get seats in the courtroom. Then, in the paper today, this:

Among the trial spectators was 51-year-old Robin Wilkie, who said she has spent $3,000 on hotels and food since arriving June 10 from Lake Minnetonka, Minn. She tallied more than 100 hours standing in line to wait for tickets and got into the courtroom 15 times to see Anthony.
"True crime has become a unique genre of entertainment," Wilkie said. "Her stories are so extreme and fantastic, it's hard to believe they're true, but that's what engrosses people. This case has sex, lies and videotapes — just like on reality TV."

It's all going into my great unwritten treatise on fame as the new opiate of the masses.