Gay Marriage Approved by New York Senate

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I don't think he's misreading. We should say what we mean instead of using imprecise idioms which could be harmful more than helpful.

Yep. I'll go ahead and open the can of worms: There are people that believe that being gay is sinful. Honestly, I don't think it's any more appropriate to try and change their minds on that then them trying to convince someone that they shouldn't be gay. In the end, as long as either side aren't violating someone else's right to choose what they believe, what difference does it make? You can still love and respect someone without agreeing with all of their beliefs and choices, and we aren't the ones with final judgement anyway.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Yep. I'll go ahead and open the can of worms: There are people that believe that being gay is sinful. Honestly, I don't think it's any more appropriate to try and change their minds on that then them trying to convince someone that they shouldn't be gay. In the end, as long as either side aren't violating someone else's right to choose what they believe, what difference does it make? You can still love and respect someone without agreeing with all of their beliefs and choices, and we aren't the ones with final judgement anyway.

I am okay being friends/respecting people who believe that homosexual acts are sinful, provided their attitudes toward it are the same as toward anything else they consider sinful (lying, not giving enough to charity, etc.). I disagree with them, but we can agree to disagree, the same as we might agree to disagree about any number of other topics. I refuse to be friends with anyone who believes that being homosexual in and of itself is a sin. That's beyond my limit of tolerance.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

I am okay being friends/respecting people who believe that homosexual acts are sinful, provided their attitudes toward it are the same as toward anything else they consider sinful (lying, not giving enough to charity, etc.). I disagree with them, but we can agree to disagree, the same as we might agree to disagree about any number of other topics. I refuse to be friends with anyone who believes that being homosexual in and of itself is a sin. That's beyond my limit of tolerance.

I agree. I shouldn't be expected to tolerate someone who doesn't accept me.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I agree. I shouldn't be expected to tolerate someone who doesn't accept me.

This.
If you choose to tolerate someone with those views, because they are family, or whatever it is one thing, but it is not an obligation to offer 'respect' to someone who condemns who you are.

It's quite a bit easier when one is not a member of the targeted population to 'tolerate' bigotry. And yet it is the minority itself that is expected to 'tolerate' the most. At some point it's just not healthy.

/not out to family because I don't at this point want to face that.

[NinjaPoodle]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Apparently NPH's boyfriend proposed shortly after this.


I have a lot of NPH gifs O.o

Originally Posted by Senusret I

YEAH NEW YORK! Cali should be right behind...hopefully!