Osama Bin Laden Dead

[als463]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

The military who was acting on a directive from the Commander-In-Chief.

Really? I also remember another Commander-In-Chief who wanted the military to go find him. If this had happened while Bush was still in office-people wouldn't be giving him praise. Why should I give it to Obama? I find it a little ironic that this was shown after the Celebrity Apprentice (Trump) and a few days after "confirming" his birth certificate. I have very little respect for Obama but, I have a great deal of respect for our troops. Let's give the thanks to THEM.

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Originally Posted by als463

Really? I also remember another Commander-In-Chief who wanted the military to go find him. If this had happened while Bush was still in office-people wouldn't be giving him praise. Why should I give it to Obama? I find it a little ironic that this was shown after the Celebrity Apprentice (Trump) and a few days after "confirming" his birth certificate. I have very little respect for Obama but, I have a great deal of respect for our troops. Let's give the thanks to THEM.

What?

Also, intelligence officials?

The President gets credit or blame. That's how it works. Sure, it could have been any other President, or it could have been McCain, but the President gets credit. Having been in the military, I thought you would know that.

Of course the Navy SEALS who went in should get praise. Of course the intelligence community should get praise (and believe me, they've been shat all over since the beginning of the Iraq War, I'm glad one of their successes is finally making it back to us), but the President also gets credit, because he's the President and that's the way it works.

When the Bay of Pigs failed, Kennedy took the blame, and hard. And he'd only been in for 3 months at the time, the invasion was planned long before that.

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Originally Posted by als463

Really? I also remember another Commander-In-Chief who wanted the military to go find him. If this had happened while Bush was still in office-people wouldn't be giving him praise. Why should I give it to Obama? I find it a little ironic that this was shown after the Celebrity Apprentice (Trump) and a few days after "confirming" his birth certificate. I have very little respect for Obama but, I have a great deal of respect for our troops. Let's give the thanks to THEM.

You sound like a child, "They wouldn't do it, so I'm not going to do it. Nahnahnahaboobo."

I don't know an anti-Bush person (and in my circle they abound), myself included that wouldn't have "celebrated" this decision and given Bush credit had OBL been taken care of during his time in office.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by als463

Really? I also remember another Commander-In-Chief who wanted the military to go find him. If this had happened while Bush was still in office-people wouldn't be giving him praise. Why should I give it to Obama? I find it a little ironic that this was shown after the Celebrity Apprentice (Trump) and a few days after "confirming" his birth certificate. I have very little respect for Obama but, I have a great deal of respect for our troops. Let's give the thanks to THEM.

I also remember that Commander-In-Chief being praised immediately after 9/11. You and I both know that GWB would have gotten accolades, had the capture occurred during one of his terms.

And the Apprentice thing is a little irrelevant. Trump is a non-issue at this point.

I find it fascinating that a member of the military doesn't have respect for the POTUS.

[als463]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I also remember that Commander-In-Chief being praised immediately after 9/11. You and I both know that GWB would have gotten accolades, had the capture occurred during one of his terms.

And the Apprentice thing is a little irrelevant. Trump is a non-issue at this point.

I find it fascinating that a member of the military doesn't have respect for the POTUS.

Trust me, there are a lot more than you realize.

You know that GWB would not have gotten the accolades for this. Let's be honest.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by als463

Trust me, there are a lot more than you realize.

You know that GWB would not have gotten the accolades for this. Let's be honest.

If this occurred during the GWB era, who would've gotten praise?

Also, most of the military folks I come in contact with will say "I don't agree with what _____'s administration has done," not "I don't respect ____."

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(Why am I just now noticing k_s's siggy? I <3 The Beets!)

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If this occurred during the GWB era, who would've gotten praise?

Also, most of the military folks I come in contact with will say "I don't agree with what _____'s administration has done," not "I don't respect ____."

Speaking of GWB, let's take a trip down memory lane...

[als463]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If this occurred during the GWB era, who would've gotten praise?

Also, most of the military folks I come in contact with will say "I don't agree with what _____'s administration has done," not "I don't respect ____."

Okay, let me re-phrase that. I should have said, "I have respect for the President but, I don't care for him." Feel better? You HAVE to respect the President when you are in the military but, you can dislike him. I stand behind my statement that he doesn't deserve the credit.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by als463

Okay, let me re-phrase that. I should have said, "I have respect for the President but, I don't care for him." Feel better? You HAVE to respect the President when you are in the military but, you can dislike him. I stand behind my statement that he doesn't deserve the credit.

Fair enough.

But I'll ask again -- who would've gotten credit if this occurred during the GWB era?

No one is discounting the work of the troops, but to act like the POTUS (who happens to be Obama) had nothing to do with this is odd.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Fair enough.

But I'll ask again -- who would've gotten credit if this occurred during the GWB era?

No one is discounting the work of the troops, but to act like the POTUS (who happens to be Obama) had nothing to do with this is odd.

It's not odd. He's obviously a HATER! And I'm not a big fan of Obama...just calling it like I see it.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

But I'll ask again -- who would've gotten credit if this occurred during the GWB era?

From some of the people who disliked GWB, anyone and anything other than GWB. Chia pets, Chuck Norris, whatever else.

I completely understand where als463 is coming from. She's a military hero (). She's giving credit where it is literally due in terms of the source that literally acted. But, as you all have said, before that action comes the literal permission from the President. The military cannot (should not) act without that.

I disagree with AlphaFrog (I think it was AlphaFrog) that this was a common sense move and Forest Gump would have done the same thing. First of all, common sense is a subjective concept and there is knowledge and power required to make such decisions. This decision could have been made and it could have ended horribly and then people wouldn't have been celebrating or looking for who to credit. They'd be looking for who to blame. Honestly, and God forbid, it could still end horribly and then I wonder how the assessment of "common sense" will play then; and who would be blamed if something were to happen after people's celebrations ended.

As with many occupations and tasks in life, everyone has the answer and knows what the hell to do. Until they are in the position to do it and have the weight resting upon them. You really see whether people's actions speak louder than their words.