Osama Bin Laden Dead

Ghostwriter · #1 05-02-2011, 09:47 AM

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As you should be. The level of joyful celebration throughout the country misses the bigger picture and is, quite frankly, a little embarrassing.

Sorry, but I disagree completely.

This is a definite milestone in our war on terror. This rivals the fall of the Axis powers in WW II in importance to the American psyche. Is the "war on terror" over? No. But we have taken a huge step and a message has been sent. You can run and you can hide but not forever.

A mass murderer is dead, celebrations are in order?

DeltaBetaBaby · #2 05-02-2011, 09:49 AM

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Sorry, but I disagree completely.

This is a definite milestone in our war on terror. This rivals the fall of the Axis powers in WW II in importance to the American psyche. Is the "war on terror" over? No. But we have taken a huge step and a message has been sent. You can run and you can hide but not forever.

A mass murderer is dead, celebrations are in order?

So you honestly believe that we are safer today than we were a week ago?

AlphaFrog · #3 05-02-2011, 09:54 AM

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So you honestly believe that we are safer today than we were a week ago?

I know this wasn't directed at me, but we were most definitely safer a week ago than we are today.

AGDee · #4 05-02-2011, 10:11 AM

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So you honestly believe that we are safer today than we were a week ago?

We have, at long last, proven that if you go after us, we will go after you and we will not quit until we succeed. Sometimes that message is an important one to send.

Does that make us safer? It is the core of a solid defense strategy. If people believe that they can attack us without consequence, then they will be more likely to attack us. We would be seen as weak in the eyes of many. Being seen as strong does make us safer.

DeltaBetaBaby · #5 05-02-2011, 10:15 AM

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I know this wasn't directed at me, but we were most definitely safer a week ago than we are today.

I agree. Which is why I don't believe that any of the celebration is about anything but vengeance.

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We have, at long last, proven that if you go after us, we will go after you and we will not quit until we succeed.

We have most assuredly not succeeded in the "War on Terror".

IrishLake · #6 05-02-2011, 10:27 AM

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I agree. Which is why I don't believe that any of the celebration is about anything but vengeance.

We have most assuredly not succeeded in the "War on Terror".

There is no problem with celebrating Justice. There's a difference between justice as a punishment and a means to preventing OBL planned future attacks. You know there would have been more with him acting as the mastermind.

Nope, we haven't succeeded, and I'm not sure we ever will. I think we will never see the end of the War on Terror. However a major battle was won over 24 hours ago. That is something to be proud of. Proud of our service men and women, and proud of our President who said "DO IT" without letting Pakistan even know. The War on Terror would not be needed were it not for extremists. It's a proactive offense in order to prevent future 9/11-like events. Should we sit back on our haunches and do nothing? I think not.

AOII Angel · #7 05-02-2011, 10:35 AM

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There is no problem with celebrating Justice. There's a difference between justice as a punishment and a means to preventing OBL planned future attacks. You know there would have been more with him acting as the mastermind.

Nope, we haven't succeeded, and I'm not sure we ever will. I think we will never see the end of the War on Terror. However a major battle was won over 24 hours ago. That is something to be proud of. Proud of our service men and women, and proud of our President who said "DO IT" without letting Pakistan even know. The War on Terror would not be needed were it not for extremists. It's a proactive offense in order to prevent future 9/11-like events. Should we sit back on our haunches and do nothing? I think not.

Let's put this on a smaller level. Imagine seeing the family members of a murder victim leaving the death chamber partying and chanting "USA, USA." It's just not done and is a little crass. As much as this is a part of a war, this WAS a man's life. He was a terrorist, but celebrating a man's death like it's a party lowers our social mores quite a bit.

txAOII_15 · #8 05-02-2011, 11:30 AM

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Let's put this on a smaller level. Imagine seeing the family members of a murder victim leaving the death chamber partying and chanting "USA, USA." It's just not done and is a little crass. As much as this is a part of a war, this WAS a man's life. He was a terrorist, but celebrating a man's death like it's a party lowers our social mores quite a bit.

i wholeheartedly agree with you AOII_Angel. celebrating any person's death under any circumstances is crass. while patriotism is a wonderful thing, lets also not forget the other side of the story. yes, september 11 was a terrible tragedy and my heart goes but to the thousands of people affected by it, but it pales in comparison to past us involvement in situations abroad that have violated human rights and have taken the lives of countless numbers of people. an eye for an eye is not the way to show superiority, but rather just sinks us morally. while im glad that the world as a whole is a safer place with one less extremist running around spewing hateful propaganda, it should not mean that we take it upon ourselves to celebrate how "blessed" we are as a nation by god and exclude the billions of other people that happen to share our planet.

rhoyaltempest · #9 05-02-2011, 12:33 PM

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Let's put this on a smaller level. Imagine seeing the family members of a murder victim leaving the death chamber partying and chanting "USA, USA." It's just not done and is a little crass. As much as this is a part of a war, this WAS a man's life. He was a terrorist, but celebrating a man's death like it's a party lowers our social mores quite a bit.

I get what you're saying but this man's terror goes back to the 80's, maybe even before that and has impacted the world. I think most people are celebrating the end of his reign of terror, not specifically the loss of human life. When the families of rape and murder victims "celebrate" the death of the rapists and murderers, we understand completely.

AGDee · #10 05-02-2011, 10:48 AM

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We have most assuredly not succeeded in the "War on Terror".

I've yet to hear anybody make that claim. If anything, we can expect an insurgence in terror activity. That doesn't mean that, in the long run, this was not a strategic and good move. I think it's unfortunate that we didn't take him alive, but getting him was important politically and militarily.

And to AOPi Angel, Thousands of people have lost their lives across 3 different decades because of this man, not just Americans but people from all over the world. Comparing his death to a solitary murderer who receives the death penalty is apples and oranges in my book, and I'm vehemently against the death penalty.

Ghostwriter · #11 05-02-2011, 11:47 AM

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So you honestly believe that we are safer today than we were a week ago?

Absolutely. UBL was not a leader but he was a figure head in which the terrorist rallied around. A dead figure head for a murderous terrorist group is a great thing. We simply cannot cower in fear as to what these people plan to do to us. They would do it anyway. Every terrorist we kill makes us one dead terrorist safer. The alternative is to capitulate and bow to their whims and demands. That isn't going to happen. Some things are just worth fighting for.

DeltaBetaBaby · #12 05-02-2011, 11:51 AM

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We simply cannot cower in fear as to what these people plan to do to us. They would do it anyway. Every terrorist we kill makes us one dead terrorist safer. The alternative is to capitulate and bow to their whims and demands. That isn't going to happen.

It already has. See: patriot act, TSA, etc. See also: cutting badly-needed social programs in order to fund wars.

Ghostwriter · #13 05-02-2011, 12:34 PM

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It already has. See: patriot act, TSA, etc. See also: cutting badly-needed social programs in order to fund wars.

This is a total non sequiter. Equating the killing of a terrorist to cutting social programs leaves one speechless. One of the main purpose of our Federal Government is for the common defense. Sorry but social programs et al are way down the list.

It is a big bad world out there and there are people who wish to do us harm. They don't care if it is you and your family or me and my family. Had you been on the 89th floor or above in WTC South you would be dead now and they wouldn't care less. The terrorist are only interested in destroying our way of life and us with it. The alternative is to capitulate and bow down to their ideology.

DeltaBetaBaby · #14 05-02-2011, 12:47 PM

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The terrorist are only interested in destroying our way of life and us with it. The alternative is to capitulate and bow down to their ideology.

Tell me, what exactly would it look like if we "bow down to their ideology"?

Ghostwriter · #15 05-02-2011, 12:57 PM

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Tell me, what exactly would it look like if we "bow down to their ideology"?

Under their ideology, meaning the terrorists, I believe

You would be wearing a burqa.
Women would be under the complete domination of the males in society.
Women would be treated as second class citizens.
We (The US of A) would be under Sharia law and
I would probably be dead and in my grave due to having been beheaded.

That is how it would look although probably not through my eyes.